OT The real reason for "global warming" Ba ha ha

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On 7/28/12 1:23 PM, Leon wrote:

http://screen.yahoo.com/quot-door-to-hell-quot-burns-for-over-40-years-30115437.html?pb_list#dce613-c500-43f0-9134-70e58b73187a
There's an underground coal mine fire in New Straitsville, OH which has been burning for 120 years.
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And Centralia, PA ...
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On 7/28/2012 2:56 PM, Han wrote:

And one that has been burning in NJ I believe Jersey City for 30 or 40 years
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The "REAL" reason for global warming is the French. European French, Quebec French, take your pick.
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On 7/28/2012 1:01 PM, Dave wrote:

Nah, it's all the hot air and flatulence Congress puts out.
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On 7/28/2012 7:21 PM, Just Wondering wrote:

I think it is caused by the flatulence from the trillions of animals on earth.
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Leon wrote:

http://screen.yahoo.com/quot-door-to-hell-quot-burns-for-over-40-years-30115437.html?pb_list#dce613-c500-43f0-9134-70e58b73187a
Nonsense. Global Warming is caused, or at least started, by the "AIDS Quilt" project.
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<http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate - change-skeptic.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all> and for another commentary: <http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07/28/602151/bombshell-koch-funded - study-finds-global-warming-is-real-on-the-high-end-and-essentially-all-due- to-carbon-pollution/>
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Jeeze, is it April 1st again already?
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Gee, thanks. <g> It's next week, BTW. (59)

The ThinkProgress site is suspect: liberals twisting facts once again. The hockey stick graph is a real good clue to that without research. Their "study" indicating that "NRA Members Agree: More Gun Regulation Makes Sense" is such bullshit I can't stand it. I wonder how long it took them to find that many liberals with guns who were NRA members- in-name-only. Or did they just have liberals buy memberships to support that "study"?
And if AGWK is at the high end of predictions, why has each IPCC study since the first shown -less- warming than first reported? They stairstep down. My guess is that the computer models are being updated as they find new data to make them more, or at least _somewhat_, reliable.
Have you read the Koch report on their server or Muller's report, or just this completely cooked-up page at TP? (Fitting initials. I think of toilet paper when reading their dung.) I'm off to find the real reports now. It's no wonder that TP didn't link it, and I'm surprised that they linked Muller's.
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I know. Somehow my FB tells me it is soon. Btw, you're too young to be so curmudgeonly <grin>.

While I am for gun control, I think that the NRA has driven too many people to buy guns, so that I am almost feeling forced to go and get some too. I'll let you all know when I do, so you can get body armor ... <grin>

Let me know when you find reliable reports denying the Muller paper.

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On 7/29/2012 11:28 AM, Han wrote:

Available for anyone who bothers to read their FAQ?
http://berkeleyearth.org/faq /
Can look no further than their own words to understand that they themselves imply their guess is apparently as good as any other, and to also understand that thus far their study is taking into account land data ONLY and is, by their own admission, far from complete:
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Berkeley Earth has not yet begun to analyze ocean temperatures (we hope to do this in the next year), so the plotted data is land only. Land warms more than oceans, so when we include the ocean we expect the total global warming to be less.
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Has Global Warming Stopped?
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This exercise simply shows that the decadal fluctuations are too large to allow us to make decisive conclusions about long term trends based on close examination of periods as short as 13 to 15 years.
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Do Judith Curry and Richard Muller disagree?
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Below is a joint statement by Judith Curry and Richard Muller:
In recent days, statements we've made to the media and on blogs have been characterized as contradictory. They are not.
We have both said that the global temperature record of the last 13 years shows evidence suggesting that the warming has slowed. Our new analysis of the land-based data neither confirms nor denies this contention. If you look at our new land temperature estimates, you can see a flattening of the rise, or a continuation of the rise, _depending on the statistical approach you take_
Continued global warming "skepticism" is a proper and a necessary part of the scientific process. The Wall St. Journal Op-Ed by one of us (Muller) seemed to take the opposite view with its title and subtitle: "The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism -- There were good reasons for doubt, until now." But those words were not written by Muller. The title and the subtitle of the submitted Op-Ed were "Cooling the Warming Debate - Are you a global warming skeptic? If not, perhaps you should be. Let me explain why." The title and subtitle were changed by the editors without consulting or seeking permission from the author. Readers are encouraged to ignore the title and read the content of the Op-Ed.
We do not agree with each other on every feature of climate change. We have had vigorous discussions, for example, on the proper way to analyze hurricane records. Such disagreements are an essential part of the scientific process.
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So much for putting your faith in incomplete studies. LOL
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OK. At least there is still room for debate, and it isn't a closed deal that global warming is a hoax.
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On 7/29/12 2:59 PM, Han wrote:

The onus does not fall on us to prove that something does *not* exist. It is always the responsibility of those who say the sky is falling to prove it is.
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On 07/29/2012 12:59 PM, Han wrote:

That would be man caused global warming. Global warming in general has been occurring for the last 10,000 years or so since the last major ice age. Since ice ages occur cyclically and have a tendency to scrape a lot of stuff off land, it might be nice if we were able to prevent the next one so that cities like New York, Chicago, etc aren't erased. Well, maybe New York ;-)
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Han, global warming alarmism (AGWK) is indeed a hoax. It has lies, misread data, imperfect models, and exaggerations all rolled into one nasty True Belief religion. It's sorta like Obamunism.
I'm with you in wanting CO2 emissions considerably reduced, but I don't believe humans need to change their way of life to do it; Only their attitude.
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I'm really not sure whether whether alarm is necessary. I think there is a real heads up, that we can't go on the way we have been going. I'm sure that some of that has to do with presentation and interpretation - on the sides of both alarmists and denyers/deniers.
I am trying to read Ron Paul's book Liberty defined, and have gotten to the E(ducation). So far it is to me a mixture of naive belief in the good of the natural mechanisms of free trade and laissez faire that human interactions will always lead to the best, although there are some tenets of Paul's that I could agree with. I'll have to see how much further I can get through the book. As far as Obamunism is concerned, Romneycare in Mass was the example, and by all accounts that I have rather successful, including the mandate and the penalties. Is the ACA a good compromise? It is a compromise. On all sides there has been give and take, and as usual (give Paul his due), the medical industry has influenced through lobbying the law WAY too much. Since Congress lives by slogans, bribery and sleight of hand, it is difficult to see how it can be rectified. I hope it will self-adjust once in effect, but in spite of my hope, I am a doubting Thomas as well.

That's a start. But I do believe that an attitude adjustment comes darn close to a change in the way of life. One good thing of this recession is that we are learning to be more frugal (overall, some more than others, and some very, very painfully).
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On 07/29/2012 05:50 PM, Han wrote:

According to the 10th amendment, Romney-care done by a state, or several states or all states is fine, but Obama-care is not in the purview of the Federal Government.

We are being frugal, but the Federal Government isn't. It's going to lead to much worse conditions for individuals than a little frugality.

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It was only a 5-4 decision by the SCOTUS, but it was ruled constitutional, so your opinion is only that, your opinion, not legally useful (sorry).

Yes, indeed. We are frugal too, and Congress isn't. That is because too many "constituents" scream when their earmarks are attacked. So it is almost everyone around that is NOT frugal when congressional largesse is seen as a handout.
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