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"Leon" wrote:

I had a hunch, thanks for the confirmation.
Dell is a non starter for me.
Lew
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Dell makes garbage by attempting to lock you into their custom modified O/S software.
If you think otherwise you have never tried to rebuild one from the ground up, software wise. If you can't identify all the drivers by their secret codenames the regular versions of Windows will not install, either.
I won't touch them again after years of attempting to get tech help from their Pakistan office people.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

How bad was your experience BestBuy and HP (who acquired Compaq in 2002)? Just curious.
Dell gives you quite a few options in building a system. You might also look at some of their pre-built (returned, I guess) systems for a good price. To do this click on "outlet" towards the right of their main menu at dell.com to see if you can find something suitable.
Bill

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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Are you or friend willing to spend an hour or so putting a mobo in the box and plugging stuff into the mobo? Probably no monetary saving but it is an easy task and one winds up with exactly what one wants. The hardest part is just *deciding* what is wanted.
If you should ever go that route, get a case that is large enough to work in and with good ventilation. Lian Li and Altec are two that make nice cases.
For electronic parts, Newegg and Tiger Direct have a wide assortment but check online for other better (?) prices. For RAM, hard to beat Crucial. A couple of years ago, Western Digital Caviar Black drives were about the best you could get, things may have changed but even if so they are excellent drives with a 5 year guarantee.
What is needed is... case power supply if not bundled w/case mobo cpu (I like Athlon Phenom 2, maybe something better now) hard drive (get SATA) RAM CD/DVD drive monitor OS (use the one he/she now has)
It is doubtful that either a sound or video card would be needed as those on the mobo are quite good now,
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dadiOH wrote:

Yes, and then deciding what sort of memory the motherboard likes too. One needs to read a motherboard manual or two, or three. Not only that, one has to do his or her homework on CPU/motherboard compatibility (it's not one-size fits all). Then one needs to made sure he or she has an adequate power supply, especially considering the video card they have chosen. And you can't assume that you'll be done after you put everything together--that seems to never happen. Something in the BIOS will need to be tinkered with--but what? This is not a task for someone who just wants a computer--they are surely better buying a pre-assembled system from Dell, or similar. They even come with a warranty. At the low-end, I think they will even save money.
I built a system a year ago for about $1250 (not including keyboard, monitor or a separate drive for backup). I don't think I saved any money but I got what I wanted: a *quiet* (Intel) I7 system. It has a specially designed (noise insulated) case, no loud fans (none on the Gigabyte 9800GT graphics card), a SSD (solid-state drive) instead of a hard disk drive (this was months before these were available on prebuilt systems), on which I installed Windows7 Professional (OEM). One won't find this configuration in a retail store. Also, it has a fairly high-end Corsair power supply. You'll never see that on a unit in a retail store--simply because there's not enough glitz to it. Its quality the typical shopper won't value enough. I use my systems for a few years before my wife uses them for a few years. So I think this sort of quality is a reasonable investment. She doesn't "push" a computer, and is not even willing to learn how to blow the dust out of it--let alone do a backup..lol. She's was very pleased with her last upgrade.
I just outlined at least a $300 computer design for you Lew. I can print out a detailed order form of materials from NewEgg for you if you like. I forget your estimated value of the first lighting design you did for me. Maybe I'm underestimating the value of my experience..lol : ) I can tell you just what you need to change in the BIOS so that the mouse doesn't make annoying noises when you move it. It's the automatic CPU fan speed monitor/adjustor (set it to "always on"). it took me at least a week to figure that one out... Choose your battles...
Bill

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Bill wrote:

Oh, it's not *that* hard :)
1. Choose CPU, it determines mobo socket. Yes, there are a pile of CPUs available but for the casual, non-power user it doesn't really make that much difference among those in a given price range.
2. Tell Crucial what mobo you have and it will tell you what RAM
3. PSU is important but for run of the mill computers 450W is going to be more than adequate.
4. Assuming a non-junk mobo, the onboard sound and video are perfectly fine for most users (audiophiles and gamers excepted). _____________________

I've only had about 5 computers but I've never had one that made noise when the mouse moved. ______________________

It didn't mention it in the manual? :)
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dadiOH wrote: _____________________

Going from a relatively passive state, the movement of the mouse throttled the CPU Speed and/or CPU fan speed and the on board audio amplified the electronic waves involved in the dynamics of the process.
A just looked in up in my Gigabyte motherboard manual: It's called the "CPU Smart Fan Control".
When that happens every couple minutes it gets really annoying (especially after going out of your way to build a *quiet* system).
Disabling the CPU Smart Fan Control solved the problem. It took me over a week to isolate the problem/solution. It wasn't so hard to fix, but it was frustrating. I don't think Lew wants to put himself in that situation--obligated to learn computer repair. Maybe I'm wrong?
Bill
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"Bill" wrote

electronics guy who maintained much of the ship board electronics, back in the day when they had no replaceable boards. Everything had to be trouble shot down to the bad component, which was then removed and replaced.
They were conducting some kind of fleet exercises. About twenty ships were involved. The admiral was on board and this ship was the command ship. Everything was going fine until some important piece of gear broke down. The exercise had to stopped until it was repaired. He was called in to make the necessary repairs. He quickly figured out which item broke down and got out his manuals and started the laborious job of checking out the boards, component by component, circuit by circuit. This was done in the presence of the entire fleet command staff. And it was taking awhile. No quick solution was happening.
His irritated commanding officer yelled at him, "How long is this going to take?" He stood up, looked at him eye to eye, and yelled back at him, "Fifteen minutes AFTER I FIND THE PROBLEM!" The red faced officer backed off. Not a word or sound from the rest of the staff either.
I always remember that story. A lot of time a problem is easily solved. It is just finding the damn thing to begin with! How many times have you struggled to do something and it took and inordinate amount of time? And the second time it was a breeze and happened easily and efficiently. the first time was learnin' time. The second time was doin' time.
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"dadiOH" wrote:

Have done that in the past; however, not this time around.
Prefer to spec a build list and let someone else take the responsibility.
Lew
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

That's EXACTLY why is doesn't normally seem to work that way. Computer forums are littered with "large and small annoying problems".
Lots of folks give there systems specs in detail at NewEgg (in their product reviews) and in other forums. You might wish to consider duplicating a successful system that appears consistent with your needs. You'll still get all the excitement that comes with starting the system the first time.
BTW, my dad gave me a "pick-up" tool alot like this one: http://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch-2-in-1-pickup-tool-94162.html
The end of mind doesn't have as much girth, but you get the idea. In my mind, it's a must! :) You put a screw in its patented grip, and the long handle permits you to start threading the screws holding the mainboard to the case while you are eating a sandwich with your other hand. In the remote (very) chance you drop a screw, the tools may help you recover it. You said you've already built before so please excuse me if this is redundant information.
Bill
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All sounds good except for one thing. By the time somebody posts a review of the parts they assembled the MoBo has revisions made to it.
Most is pot luck but going by reputation of the labelled manufacturers is a good idea for the best pot luck. -----------------
"Bill" wrote in message That's EXACTLY why is doesn't normally seem to work that way. Computer forums are littered with "large and small annoying problems".
Lots of folks give there systems specs in detail at NewEgg (in their product reviews) and in other forums. You might wish to consider duplicating a successful system that appears consistent with your needs. You'll still get all the excitement that comes with starting the system the first time.
BTW, my dad gave me a "pick-up" tool alot like this one: http://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch-2-in-1-pickup-tool-94162.html
The end of mind doesn't have as much girth, but you get the idea. In my mind, it's a must! :) You put a screw in its patented grip, and the long handle permits you to start threading the screws holding the mainboard to the case while you are eating a sandwich with your other hand. In the remote (very) chance you drop a screw, the tools may help you recover it. You said you've already built before so please excuse me if this is redundant information.
Bill
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Check the Computer section of Craigslist.
In my city, there are two or three guys who get TONS of computers back from lease, spiffy them up, and ship them to Nigeria by the pallet load. They will eagerly sell one to you.
I've gotten three in the past six months, two Dell Inspirion desktops (for $65 each) and one HP laptop ($140). Happy with all of them.
Aside: Ever wonder what happened to all the CRT monitors? One place I visited must have had over a thousand being crated up for shipment to Patagonia, Rhodesia, or some other third-world customer.
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Makes sense. Ship all the inefficient monitors to countries with underdeveloped power grids.
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On 7/14/2011 8:01 AM, Angela Sekeris wrote:

Most all used computer components go to over seas but they tend to dismantle the items for the gold and reusable parts. Nasty business.
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:05:54 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:

JDR Microdevices?
http://www.jdr.com /
I've seen better web sites, but call up and get a catalog. They're not in SoCal, but at least in CA (San Jose).
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I've bought over a hundred custom systems from these guys (Santa Clara, Ca) in the last 8 years. They're very good. I'm not sure if they do one-off's tho.
http://www.hdlfocus.com/hpc.html
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######### Go to Craiglist in you state/city. Low prices and freebees Smitty ########

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
Need to order a new puter for a friend.
Place I used locally last time has gone out of business.
Need to find a new source.
A company in SoCal would be nice, but not a deal breaker.
Anybody have a source they would care to share?
Lew
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The prices are good,you can choose your parts individually and they will be there the next day.
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Crap! I am in Canada and ordered two 2TB external harddrives for my kids on the week of last Christmas last year. I ordered them on Monday and they arrived on Wednesday, two days later, and three days before Christmas!
The price was slightly more than half the staples prices (I bought one locally just in case the timing didn't work out), the quality of the brand was better (had sleep modes and lower power) and I took the one back to Staples and got almost the same amount refunded as the two from NewEgg.ca.
They shipped the units from New Jersey somewhere, cleared customs and was at my door in under two days! Online I could track them and was informed of the delivery time within an hour of stated ETA. I have always been impressed with these guys. Their website has lots of feedback ratings and warranty coverage stories where they have stood behind their products. Their tech help has been available in the past for "tweaking" hardware and software to make it work when I called, also.
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Back to running three personas in the single newsgroup are we dWeebTVer?
Get to behaving yourself Gym Bob/Benji/Josepi/Janice or I get busy. You choose. george
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:05:54 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"

Are you wanting to build a computer, or to find someone who can build one for you?
If the latter, I have no advice for you. If the former, I have one and only one suggestion, based on personal experience: http://www.newegg.com/
Reply-to address is real -- John
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