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Need to order a new puter for a friend.
Place I used locally last time has gone out of business.
Need to find a new source.
A company in SoCal would be nice, but not a deal breaker.
Anybody have a source they would care to share?
Lew
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On 7/13/2011 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

I have a neighbor that has a computer business. He just built me a new one 8 weeks ago. I am very happy with it. i5 processor, 125 GB Solid State primary drive, 1 TB data drive. 8 gig DDR5 memory, USB 3.0, 4 fans, etc. Win 7 pro. Boots up and ready to go with all my start up programs, 11 of my own, in 30 seconds.
http://viper-computers.com/testimonials.html
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wrote:

Holy Shit, Maynard! What'd you pay for that beast?
It's a Macbook?
-- Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace. -- Robert J. Sawyer
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On 7/14/2011 7:37 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Also running at 3.3GHz plus it has a turbo boost but I never use it.
What did I pay,,, $1325. PC
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wrote:

Not too awfully bad. His site didn't list any PCs in stock.
-- Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace. -- Robert J. Sawyer
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I ordered mine from him on a Friday afternoon, he delivered on Monday afternoon. He builds to his customers needs so he really does not keep an inventory of assembled machines IIRC. He does not just buy parts and assemble, he apparently knows which parts work best together.
I was sold on an i7 processor and he talked me out of it. Apparently nothing that the average user would use would ever need an i7 processor in the foreseeable future or as he put it, the life expectancy of the machine.
It would have been significantly less expensive had I gone for a 1TB primary hard drive instead of the 128GB Solid State drive.
I have really enjoyed the simplicity of having the OS and program files on the SSD and my data files on the HD. No convoluted tree/directory to track down a data file.
I use Quicken home and business and when I installed the program it placed my data file on the SSD also. Launching the program was instantaneous. As soon as I clocked or let go of the enter key the program and file were on the screen. Now that I have moved the data file to the HD it takes 2 seconds. Seems like an eternity. :~)
Component Details Subscore Base score Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz 7.5 7.0 Determined by lowest subscore
Windows Experience Index on score 1.0 to 7.9
Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB 7.8 Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5670 7.0 Gaming graphics 4852 MB Total available graphics memory 7.0 Primary hard disk 64GB Free (119GB Total) 7.9 Windows 7 Professional
System --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer System manufacturer Model System Product Name Total amount of system memory 8.00 GB RAM System type 64-bit operating system Number of processor cores 4
Storage --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total size of hard disk(s) 1517 GB Disk partition (C:) 64 GB Free (119 GB Total) Disk partition (D:) 878 GB Free (932 GB Total) Media drive (E:) CD/DVD Disk partition (J:) 226 GB Free (466 GB Total) Media drive (L:) CD
Graphics --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Display adapter type ATI Radeon HD 5670 Total available graphics memory 4852 MB Dedicated graphics memory 1024 MB Dedicated system memory 0 MB Shared system memory 3828 MB Display adapter driver version 8.821.0.0 Primary monitor resolution 1920x1080 DirectX version DirectX 10
Network --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Network Adapter Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller Network Adapter Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)
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wrote:

Excellent service! Having a local computer guru is the best insurance you can buy.

Why did he talk you into the SSD?

Right, nice!

I'm well aware that Instant Gratification Takes Too Long.

I like (and use) Win7Pro. My graphics card drops my system down to 3.8. Wah! Mine is only a 32-bit and 2.5GHz with slower RAM.
You officially SUCK, Leon!
-- Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace. -- Robert J. Sawyer
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On 7/14/2011 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That was a big point in my decision making process, him living 3 doors down.

He didn't, he mentioned that they were offering that as a primary drive. I jumped at the opportunity. A little more expensive for the machine as a whole but extremely fast, no moving parts. IIRC the 128Gb SSD was about $125 more than the 1Tb HD. With the OS and all of my program files loaded I have only used about 1/2 the capacity.

Why thank you Larry!
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I picked up one of these the other day:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173023&cm_re=zotac_zbox-_-56-173-023-_-Product
dual core, 64-bit, GPU on cpu die (AMD Fusion), HDMI, SATA 6Mb/s, 1Ge, USB 3.0 pulls 11 watts idle; 18 under load[*]. Supports virtualization (I'm running 2 web servers and a mail server, all in individual virtual machines).
Price can't be beat. Should be sufficient for most home surfing/word processing and media center applications.
scott
[*] Measured at the 120v wall plug.
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"Scott Lurndal" wrote:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173023&cm_re=zotac_zbox-_-56-173-023-_-Product ----------------------------------- NewEgg would be a winner, they are litterly out my back door.
Now if I can just figure out how to configure a system for them to quote.
Lew
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

The website tomshardware.com has lots of information for someone building a computer. Newegg has helpful customer reviews of components. Start counting the hours now... Have fun!
Bill
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Lew - go to their website, and they literally have bundled kits ready to go that provide just about anything and everything. With their already aggressive pricing, this just makes it a bit sweeter if you don't mind spending the time to put it together. Look at the bottom right of this page:
http://www.newegg.com
I have bought the components for my last two computers there, and it *seems* that they have better than the normal stuff at the discount computer places around here. Plus, my experience is that they really stand behind their products.
They have good prices on their finished boxes, too.
As for me, I split the difference. Although I don't mind working on one, I didn't want to build it myself either as I would be spending an entire day doing it. So I paid a friend of mine to build it for me at the going rate of $100, including having him do all diagnostics on the machine and print out reports. I got it from him, took it home, hooked up the monitor, modem, mouse and speakers and off I went.
Remember, due to licensing agreements, these things aren't always what they seem. If you buy a prebuilt machine, you will get some form of Windows if it is a working box, even with no keyboard, monitor or mouse.
But if you buy a kit or box of parts, you need to remember that you will be buying your operating platform, so don't forget to figure that into the price. For an apples to apples comparison.
DAMHIKT. Lessons learned.
Robert
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

An "entire day" huh? I trust the people making comments like this are the same ones that walk into a woodworking store and buy a TS on the first visit. I almost hate to say it, and it may be difficult to believe, but I think a computer is at least as complicated as a TS and you can easily, even accidentally, devote as much time to choosing the components for one. For instance, try to answer the question, "Which SSD drive" should I choose? A year ago, there was a clear answer, but "marketing" will (try to) obscure your ability to find it.
After choosing an SSD (or HDD) you can play the same game with "Which graphics card?". You should probably choose your platform and MB before you choose your SSD or HDD. It's sort of a circular process, with your applications leading the way, and some choices dependent on others (consider various HDD interfaces available).
Not all graphics cards fit in all cases, but I also expect that no one here is afraid to cut sheet metal. Anyone can build a computer and it's getting easier every year, it seems. I'm just sayin'.
I blew the $10 on an anti-static mat, and in the wintertime I left a pot of water on the stove to create humidity while I installed the components, but that's just me. In California the steam is probably unnecessary.
Bill
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On 7/15/11 12:57 PM, Bill wrote:

eighties and have built literally hundreds if not thousands of machines. Back then between the proprietary parts in Compaqs, microchannel stuff in the IBM boxes, and just the odd assortment of stuff built into the clones you had to know what you were doing, just to get it to work.
IRQs, I/O addresses, DMA channels etc., now days, if it will fit, it pretty much is guaranteed to work, not to say there is no research involved, but the actual technical knowledge required is a lot less.
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FrozenNorth wrote:

Yes, I was around computers during those time too. Sun and DEC were kings of a sort. I've only built 4 systems, but "Guaranteed to work" is not a suitable standard for a computer for me. I would want to know:
- The manufacturer and rating of the power supply (PSU) - How well does it run OpenGL (I like SketchUp) - I need all the processing power I can justify with respect to cost (to run programs most people don't have or need). - Is is 64 bit compatible, which OS am I getting (pro?) - How much noise (db) does each component make, how well does the case insulate noise (best do your own homework).
"Guaranteed to work" doesn't consider any of the above. Let's not even get into "monitors" or "mouses" and keyboards--I am sort of particular about them. I'm currently quite pleased with Dell's "Ultrasharp". I'm not adequately familiar with the current model/version to comment. I really, really like MS Natural (shaped) keyboard.
Yes Froze, I agree. Almost anyone can build a computer without knowing about a single thing I wrote about above, and feel justly proud of the accomplishment. And I'm sure it will work fine.
Consider Levels 0-5 of drywall finishing. Sometimes level 3 is good enough. However, in general, I prefer the following quotation: "Good enough is seldom good enough".
I wonder how much time manufacturers spend sharpening those drill bits that they sell 160 for $40? I wonder how much time Fry's spends threading wires through the case to ensure good air flow? I don't know the answers to either question, but the kid would probably be on break before I was finished.
Bill
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@gm.nospam.ail.com says...

But when it doesn't work it's a bear. In theory there are ways to override the automatic assignment of IRQs, I/O addressed, DMA channels, etc, and in theory there are now enough to go around anyway, but in practice every once in a while you get two boards sharing an IRQ or the like that just plain don't like each other, and getting them moved to different IRQs etc can be a royal pain. Used to be with 8-slot machines you could play musical boards until the problem went away. Now there aren't all that many slots and they aren't all ther same.
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These days the CPUs are so fast and the drivers are actually written properly to enable sharing or IRQs and DMA channels without crashing. Most of the MoBos have more IRQs now anyway.
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But when it doesn't work it's a bear. In theory there are ways to override the automatic assignment of IRQs, I/O addressed, DMA channels, etc, and in theory there are now enough to go around anyway, but in practice every once in a while you get two boards sharing an IRQ or the like that just plain don't like each other, and getting them moved to different IRQs etc can be a royal pain. Used to be with 8-slot machines you could play musical boards until the problem went away. Now there aren't all that many slots and they aren't all ther same.
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Except when they don't.

Which doesn't mean that the automatic assignment actually uses them.

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"J. Clarke" wrote in message

================ My Win 7 o/s shows up to 190 IRQs assigned on different devices and processes.
I would image this is an 8 bit value resulting in 256 unique IRQ handler vectors auto selected by independent hardware IRQ multiplexer.
I haven't had a problem with IRQs for the last 15 years or more. Things have definitely changed since I wrote assembler code for 8 bit and 16 bit CPUs!
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Yeah, what he said!
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Except when they don't.

Which doesn't mean that the automatic assignment actually uses them.
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