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Robatoy wrote:

Over my head.
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"-MIKE-" wrote

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Do a Google Search http://www.google.ca/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=moats+%2B+powell&meta=lr%3D
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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

Oh man - do I ever disagree with that statement. My personal observations, both from being stopped by a cop, and from watching them deal with other people, is that color is of no consequence. There is a certain power trip thing that seems to be at work, and the lectures and the posture of presiding over the individual seems to be standard form for cops.
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I was just agreeing with the OP. Post # 1. But I suppose that OP had nothing to do with racism.
In general, an asshole cop will be one regardless of the 'perp's' colour. That much I agree with. I love that we're all 'perps' now. In this news group, when somebody comments how awful it was that some white guy dragged some black guy behind his pick-up truck, along a country road, till the black man dies, and then I suggest it could have been racially motivated (Duhhh), that somehow makes me eligible as a racist as well...by 'some standard'? That's more than just a little too screwed up for my tastes. I just love it when people spray the country-side with sanctimonious self-righteousness.
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 07:16:01 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

Yeah - I love the perps thing too. Everyone is a threat now. Handcuff 'em, man-handle them, bark at them, et. al. I understand the whole thing about a cop getting shot during what seemed like a routine traffic stop, but there also seems to be a Rambo affect at work too.
The whole racist thing has been taken to the limit. It's become too easy of a card to throw down as a substitute for a good argument. Oh well...
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Robatoy wrote:

I'm sorry, I missed the part about the guy getting beat up behind a pick-up truck. I though you were talking about the cop and football player.
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"There's a fine line between being a racist and accusing a man of being a racist without ever having spoken with him. "
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Robatoy wrote:

I thought I did explain it. There was nothing on the tape to make anyone without presupposition, to think the cop was being racist.
Racism is hating a race of people simply because of their race. In essence, the racist is believing something negative or derogatory about people without having any evidence to support it.
Calling someone a racist without evidence is the same thing. One is believing something negative or derogatory about the person without having any evidence to support it.
You tell me to google something you read about this cop, instead of simply providing a link. That makes me think you don't really have any other information on the man. I honestly hope you do and I'm not dealing with someone who throws the race card at the drop of a hat.
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Or, it might simply be that you couldn't be bothered to a type those few words into the Google search engine yourself. Why should he extend time and effort (as minimal as it would have been) on your behalf when it would have been so very easy for you to do?
You've accused Robatoy of presupposing about Powell and then you go and do the exact same thing to him. Presupposing works both ways Mike.
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Upscale wrote:

Nice circular logic, there. I'm not the one making accusations.
I haven't accused Robatoy of anything. I was careful to word my writing so I wouldn't.
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Kind of like a lawyer that, when asked by the judge if he has any evidence, says "sure I do and if you want to know then go out and look for it".
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Did you even read the OP and the subsequent reply?
Did you see the word 'guess' in the following (mine) statement?: "My guess would be that in Powell's mind, such as it is, he lost his job because of a black man. That makes him even more dangerous." I still think there is a probability that my 'guess' might be right.
The fact that I am aware that racism still exists amongst power- tripping Texas cops makes it quite possible that this cop would have behaved differently had the 'perp' been white. Others here have stated same, and I agree. So, I ask you: how the hell does that make me racist?
And please, don't lecture me bout how wrong racism is as your condescending tone is not appreciated.
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Robatoy wrote:

Where did accuse or even insinuate you of racism? That's right, I didn't.

Oh cry about it.
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much textbook, if you ask me. End of discussion.
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Robatoy wrote:

And by the way, a guess is speculation, even if you "think" it's probable.

More unfounded speculation. Using your same rules of logic, you could replace "would have" with "wouldn't have" and have just as valid an argument.
I did google it and still can't find any evidence that the guy is racist. I see a lot of people who never met the guy (sounds familiar) throwing the race card around on blogs and commentaries. But nothing from him or from anyone who's had dealings with him providing any evidence of racism. As much press as this is getting, you think there would be someone, somewhere just chomping at the bit to provide a "Furman tape."
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"Robatoy" & -MIKE-
Haven't you two figured out you can't piss up a rope?
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-MIKE- wrote:

How about calling someone a racist when he makes a comment about a member of a race or the race itself that IS the truth? For example, the sports person who said (paraphrasing) "For 300 years blacks have been bred for strength and stamina. That's one reason they excel at sports." He was run out of town on a rail.
How about the Imus comment: "They look like nappy-headed 'ho's" Well, they did.
No, observations, even if true, that are race specific are evidence of racism to some.
And the thought doesn't have to be derogatory to brand the thinker as a racists. Limiting Jews from Ivy League colleges in years past or Orientals today from top-flight colleges in California is similarily thought to be racist.
Statistical evidence can be used to establish racism. If the percentage of "X" in your organization does not match the percentage of "X" in the general population, that is often sufficient to establish racism in your selection or promotion protocols.
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And, of course, there are the racist'ists. Moral high ground is damned dangerous real estate.
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HeyBub wrote:

So is the "limiting of Orientals" intended to reduce enrollments below the level one would expect based on their percentage in the general population, or is the problem they are addressing that if they did not limit enrollments then their student body would be almost entirely Oriental?
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