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I would need two. I don't have much of a problem with one axis but the second always suffers.
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On 08/17/2015 05:43 PM, krw wrote:

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*snip & trim*

Imagine the bit extends through the drill and out the back about 2'. The closer you get this imaginary bit to vertical, the closer the real one will be.
Watch the bit as it starts to cut. A properly sharp twist bit will remove equal shavings from both sides. Forstners are a little easier, as you can watch the hole as it forms and make sure it's a consistent depth the whole way around.
The drill block someone suggested ealier isn't a bad idea. Once you get the bit started straight, it's usually pretty easy to keep it straight.
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On 8/16/2015 3:07 PM, krw wrote:

Perfectly perpendicular may not be a necessity, the dogs just have to not come out. So use a drill with the appropriate sized bit. You could also drill a hole in a chunk of square cut 2x4 on the DP and let it be your hand drill guide with use of a good bit.
You might also consider a high quality brad point bit vs a Forstner. they work better in hand drills. Colt "5 Star" brad points are the best I have ever used. Not cheap but worth the money.
Alternatively the appropriate bit in a plunge router. Use a clamped straight edge for the x axis and use multiple exact size squares along that straight edge to provide y axis spacing. Plunge/drill a hole, remove a spacer and repeat until all the spacers have been removed.
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not available at Woodcraft anymore and I haven't seen them anywhere else, either.

I was thinking about putting the router on a track then using a block against a dog in the previous hole to get the spacing in the other axis. As I mentioned above, I didn't find any bits big enough, though. I'll look some more.
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On 8/17/2015 11:56 AM, krw wrote:

And just to be sure, Colt "5 Star" May not help you now but maybe in the future. FYI I had to have a 1/2" bit a few years ago and found it here.
But anyway I found this place that you might be interested in.. Not sure what size you are looking for but you can get up to 1/2" and 16mm, about 5/8.
Still expensive but not a bad price singly.
http://www.thebestthings.com/newtools/miebach_drill_bits.htm

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wrote:

Yes, they're "5 Star". I bought them a years ago at the suggestion of several here. Every time we went to Atlanta, I picked up a few at Woodcraft. Now that we live in Atlanta (sorta), they no longer carry them. :-(

Bookmarked. Thanks!

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On 8/17/2015 7:52 PM, krw wrote:

A local cabinet hardware store discontinued them. I picked up a bunch of singles and multiples of the frequently used sizes for about 20 cents on the dollar.

Keep them busy selling the product and they may just keep selling them. I will say the price of the 1/2" bit was $20, less now. Imagine a German product going down in price. ;~)
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says...

According to the Colt catalog <http://colt-tools.com/en/catalogue/ the "5-Star" (aka HSS-FCE) don't come larger than 1/2 inch. For 3/4 it looks like you need to go to the "TwinLand" bit, which, surprisingly, can be had on Amazon for under 10 bucks.
Note that in 2013 they were bought out by a French outfit and the last catalog published seems to be 2013, so the company may be gone now or the products may be sold under a different brand.
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com says...

Whoops--clicked too soon--Amazon _used_ to have it for under 10 bucks-- that was a cached page I was looking at--now they don't seem to anymore.

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On 8/18/2015 5:40 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

The 5 Star does not come larger in Imperial, but does in metric, 16mm.
Still, if you need a 3/4" hole this is not going to be helpful.
I have not tried the Twinland bits, with the 5 Star it is all about the cutting point/tip. In my 1/4" and larger bits I can drill a hole through 3/4" thick oak, with out a backer board, and the hole on the exit side is as crisp and clean at the entry hole. While these bits are suppose to last for a very long time I reserve their use for times I want perfection and when I know that there is nothing hidden in the wood.

There are several places in the U.S. that sell the bits, The best of Things, being one of them, in sets and individually. Also Infinity, AKA Jesada/CMT of America, although they appear to only sell the small set for about $80.
Indeed fewer places sell the 5 Star. Get'em while you can.
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On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:07:13 -0400

you may not like this answer but i have learned to rely on just winging it the more you do it the better the outcome blow a bunch of holes in some waste stock to get the feel of it than keep that memory and do it on the real stock
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On Sunday, 16 August 2015 21:07:27 UTC+1, krw wrote:

Clamp the drill press to the door and use it like a radial drill.
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On 8/17/2015 4:10 PM, Limey Lurker wrote:

That just might be heavier than moving the door to the DP.
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Yeah, it weighs more than 250lbs (it was fun moving it to the attic in our last house and even more fun down the stairs).
I'd forgotten that I have a little toy HF drill press around here somewhere. It's worth a try.
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I used a plunge router and 3/4" bit. Router was a Porter Cable 7539 3 HP p lunge router. It plunges 3 inches. Bit was carbide. I went through about 3 inches of wood bench top. I plunged most of the way through and then st opped. Lowered the bit in the clamp a little more then completed the full plunge through the wood. Clamped the router to the bench top so it would n ot move. Cannot recall how I made sure the holes were the same distance ap art and lined up with the other side. Bench top has a line of holes along each edge.
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT), " snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com"

That was my first thought. I never liked the idea of hand-holding a 3+ HP router but I doubt my green OF1400 would have a problem with it, though. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I was going to use the track to hold one dimension. I think it's time to experiment.
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