I'm looking into doing a 14 x 19 room with 9 foot ceilings,
not that much bigger than yours. I thought the piece of
3.25 I had on hand and tried for a fitup looked real lost in
When the builder sucks people in for the optional crown
molding for that room, he uses something I crudely measured
at 5 inches and it looks right. They use 3.25 baseboards and
the baseboards and nominal 5 inch crown molding look good
together in the model home. The $800 option charge didn't
look right though ;-)
I hadn't actually considered the difference between the 3.25
baseboards and the ~5 inch crown moldings until you
mentioned it. I'm kind of fussy about things looking
balanced, so the fact that I hadn't noticed it is good.
The room also has the standard smallish 2.25 door moldings
and they look OK with the wide crown molding too.
I'm going to do the wide crown molding then select window
moldings by buying a few samples and seeing which looks
thanks Rico. I was leaning towards the larger size. As soon as the
traffic eases, I'm on my way to the store! Oh, I forgot to mention; the
molding will be oak, stained to match the floor, plus a chair rail of oak...
OK, just for you, I'll special order moldings in that size. 8 times the
price and i'll wait 3 weeks for it. You are SO helpful. like CW and
Larry, and Groggy, and most of all like Cramer. Perhaps you've all been
getting together on a regular basis for MEK sniffing parties. You
should donate your bodies to science for scientific study of damaged DNA.
If nothing else, they are PERSISTENT. They know I've plonked them, yet
they continue to post replies. Just proves how juvenile they are and
how little self control they have! Talk to the hand fellas, because
Dave ain't listening.
Robert Bonomi wrote:
It's not every day that a woodDorker can squeeze in a reference to the Caine
Mutiny, much less so exquisitely accurately. Actually Dave, if you look at
Tom's (oh wait, you've plonked him?) first response, you might experience
dangerous levels of enlightenment.
And a trip to the LEEbrary wouldn't hurt.
http://www.klownhammer.org/ - Home of the World-Famous Original Crowbar FAQ
why do you guys keep saying i've plonked everyone? Tom is not plonked.
hardly anyone is. just a handful of folks with no redeeming
qualities. I'm sure you'd say that about me too. You guys here are
sure a lot more cranky than folks in the real world. every time i've
given someone grief there has been a good reason. So what is YOUR
reason on this thread for being a jerk? I asked a serious question
about proportions of rooms vs crown molding. Can't think of anything
profound to say, so you resort to playground behavior. grow up
Patrick Olguin (O'Deen) wrote:
Billy was sucked back through the chronosynclasticindinfundibulum to
yet another when, with different hows and whys. Reality was so
plastic. He wished he knew the secret of the Trafalmadorians.
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
But you don't recognize a serious answer, when couched playfully, even
when somebody hits you in the face with it.
The answer to your question is "what looks right *to*you*". You're the
one who's going to have to "live with" the consequences of your decision.
Best thing to do is mock up a corner, in place, in each size. Then stand
back and *LOOK* at it. See which you like better.
I AGREE that the best approach is to buy small pieces of both sizes and
try it. seeing as I'm using stained oak, I anticipate it will look
"larger" than the same size white trim, but that's just a guess...
Robert Bonomi wrote:
I'd be _real_ surprised if it didn't. Dark against light tends to "show"
bigger than light against dark.
Other significant factor for what 'looks right' is how high the ceiling is.
the further up it is, the bigger the moulding you can get away with.
Oh, I don't know... that you get your underwear in a wad anytime
someone looks at you sideways?
You got a serious answer from Tom, and unfortunately you were so busy
getting ruffled, you huffed right past my actual advice.
Since you asked about the rule(s) of thumb for sizing moulding to a
room, it sounded like you were looking for overall information on
design and proportion.
I suggested a visit to the LEEbrary (see, the LEEbrary is a reference
to an old-time rec.normer named Lee Ward, and his favorite solution to
any woodworking problem was to head out to the library, but then one
day (that's a 24-hour period, approximating the time it takes this
planetary spheroid, third from the Sun, sometimes known as Earth, to
complete one revolution on its axis - though it appears that our sun,
also known as Sol, rises in the east and sets in the west, the Earth
in fact is spinning. The actual velocity of the rotation depends on
the degrees of latitude north or south of the equator. For instance,
at the equator the velocity is approximately 1041 mph. At Cape
Canaveral, the velocity is a bit less, at 937mph. This rotational
velocity is the reason while vehicles intended for orbit or deep
space, are launched to the east - to take advantage of this added
velocity. As a matter of fact, this IS rocket science. DAMHIKT)
someone thought that LEEbrary was funny, and so it stuck, and that's
how it became the LEEbrary, and so when I said LEEbrary, I was using
an old rec.norm joke - rec.norm is a reference to this Usenet
newsgroup known as rec.woodworking, but another guy, Patrick Leach, a
rather confrontational, irreverent, broad-shouldered Irish bastard who
knows a lot about tools - handtools in particular. One day (we've
covered that already, refer to earlier definition) he dubbed this
newsgroup: rec.norm, an obvious reference to the bulk of the traffic
being discussion of power tools, the favorite of Norm Abram - host of
the New Yankee Workshop; Norm doesn't actually own the tools, the show
is shot in the producer's shop, a gentleman known as Russ Morash.
Though his show does lean toward power tool usage, Norm often employs
hand tools. Norm is apparently a very nice man, and I even have
autographed pictures of him although I don't know where they are at
this moment, my inkling being they're located at my ex-wife's house, a
house I used to co-own and had done many improvements, most of them
uncompensated. I have no proof that's she's attempting to hide the
autographed pictures and sell them, but I digress. Note that it is
Abram, not Abrams, Abraham, Abrahams, Ahab, Abib, Alisha, Alicia.
Elijah, Elisha, Armand nor Armageddon. It's Abram, always will be
Abram and any misspelling is not, nor every shall be acceptable. And
so I was using this established reference to a library (LEEbrary) - a
public repository of books, magazines, Internet access, newspapers,
the Reader's Guide to Perdiodical Literature, videos, 16mm film and
other media. The assumption being that a good library (previously
defined) might hold resources, namely books on architecture (there are
many periods, you might want to stick to one period per the room, my
wife's favorites are Art Deco and Art Nouveau, although she's also a
huge fan of American A&C, Greene&Greene, Frank Lloyd Wright - not to
be confused with Andrew Lloyd Webber and most of the Stickleys) where
there is a good chance that at least several of the books will provide
guidelines, a.k.a. "rules of thumb," for proportion and design when
it comes to architectural millwork (the topic under which crown
moulding falls) and that perhaps if you were to read several of these
books or at least the pertinent chapters, you might glean the
information you so desire.
That's what I meant when I typed (beginning on the home-row of a
If that isn't profound enough for you. Tough. Now leave me alone, I've
got a kickball game to return to. Oh yeah - and don't call me names,
you big weenie!
On 30 Sep 2003 10:51:17 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org (Patrick Olguin)
The "T" was crossed
The cannons roared
The small ship sank
With all aboard
(uh oh, I seem to have gone from BAD to verse)
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
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