Craftsman new hybrid saws on sale

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Hello all,
On 12/15 & 12/16, Sears has the 22104, 22114, and 22124 hybrid table saws on sale. The 22104 is $423.99, the 22114 is $519.99, and the 22124 is $759.99.
I bought the 22114 yeasterday for about $476 after addition of an extra 10% off coupon.
Does that qualify as a gloat?
I began setting up the saw last night and so far, I am impressed.
This is one HEAVY beast, weighing in at almost 400 lbs. The whole shebang is encased within a metal pallet/frame, so absolutely no damage.
The saw includes a lot of cast iron (trunnions, tables, etc.).
Hope to finish the setup today and write a report.
I also took plenty of pictures.
Go get 'em while they're on sale.
Gus
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Hi Gus, Talking about Craftsman on this NG will get you flamed. There are a lot of C-man haters here. However, you do have my envy. When I get done paying for my DC, I'll be asking SWMBO if I can buy a new TS. Wish me luck. Happy Holidays, Joe
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Joe_Stein wrote:

Yeah, and piss on'em too.
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:15:31 -0500, Silvan

Craftsman power seems to be improving. Couple years ago, their CMS was a near thing (it had a better bevel scale), but I wound up with the Official Robyn Hartyl model . . . must have a thing for Minnesota gals or something (DeWalt)
They had crap for TS for about ten years, but their new models are comparable at their price point.
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:15:31 -0500, Silvan

I make my "living" with my tools.
there are a lot of craftsman tools out there. some of them have fallen into my hands, one way or the other. I've never bought any of them new. I have gone in a few times and looked, but left emptyhanded.
somehow I have quite a few in the shop now. my 60's parks/craftsman 18" bandsaw is a tireless beast. I gots lotsa c'man open end wrenches and such. I still have but basically never use my first router- a pawnshop craftsman prolly built in the 60's. a couple of old craftsman bench grinders that work well and get plenty of use.
then there are the ones that got shitcanned. a newer craftsman router. a pos jigsaw. a drill. some other unnamed junk.
I take or leave each tool on it's own merits. craftsman stuff mostly gets left.
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Then you probably have not even looked at their new hybrid saws.
These are quality machines and from what I've seen, they could well silence the naysayers.
Gus
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The machines do indeed have what it takes to silence the naysayers -- but it likely won't happen. Bad habits die hard.
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I must be spending too much time in the shop and not getting enough air. What is a hybrid table saw? Half gas, half electric?
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The elctricity runs the saw. The gas burns the sawdust. This produces electricity. Which reduces our need for fossil fuels.
Doncha just feel all warm and fuzzy?
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:17:54 -0500, "Lee Michaels"

uses un-grounded PVC! I'd buy a ticket to see that!
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean people use UNGROUNDED PVC for DUST COLLECTION?!?!?!?!?!?! Surely you're joking. You CAN'T be serious!!!!!!!!!
If people did that, they would have a DUST EXPLOSION that might level forty CITY BLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surely NO-ONE would EVER do such a hideously dangerous thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sounds like the main product must be bullshit.
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Joe Wilding asks:

Now there's a thought for the next go round.
A hybrid saw is a kind of mutation of a contractor's saw towards a cabinet saw. In the case of the Craftsman, the saw has a trunnions mounted on the cabinet (a la the cabinet saw), is much heavier, has the motor inside, uses a single belt--but a poly multi groove belt, machined pulleys and on.
In all 3 cases, the saws are 1-3/4 HP (Craftsman actually has two that are 1-1/2 HP, I think; The DeWalt and the Jet are 1-3/4).
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Ordered mine today, and it is supposed to be delivered next Thursday. Could you please answer a question for me?
You indicate that it came encased on a pallet, but how heavy and bulky is the heaviest piece (I'm assuming it doesn't come fully assembled)? I'm guessing that Sears will drop it off in the garage, or even the driveway, and I will have to get it to the basement workshop. I assumed I would uncrate it in the garage and carry down the pieces, but am now starting to worry if the heaviest piece will be more that my adult son and I can handle.
Other than that, I can hardly wait to get it!!
Chuck

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Chuck Roteck asks:

Hard to say whether you can handle it or not, but I'd uncrate it first. Mine, and from what I understand, all the others, came on a kind of pallet I'd never seen before, with uprights made of tube steel. Be careful lifting that sucker off or it will scrape the bejaysus out of the sides. Pull it of the pallet and cart the fence and extensions down first. Then, you've got the main package. Do NO further unpacking until it is moved to about its normal site.
I don't know what your basement entrance is like, nor the strength levels of you and your son, so my advice stops there. I got mine into a workshop that has an entry door level with the bed of a pick-up truck--and average pickup truck. I used my S10, which meant my wife and I had to lift the package up about 8-10", not as easy a chore as it sounds with 400+ pounds. I finally tipped it on its side (absolutely not recommended) and used rollers to get it up a sheet of plywood.
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All 3 saws come packaged the same way. The lightest of the 3 is 319lbs. (I work part time in their stockroom). These are definately "team-lift" items.
Kevin Daly
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Kevin Daly wrote:

I got my old last year's model one in and out of my four door sedan and into my shop by myself. I think it weighs at least 300 pounds. 'Tweren't easy, but I couldn't exactly get a lot of help from my then nine year old son, and I was trying to get it out of the car and into the shop before anybody had a chance to notice I had bought it. :) Much easier to answer the awkward questions after it's all set up. What, this old thing? :)
I have a hand truck. I never could have done it without a hand truck.
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When I got my unisaw (drive by), I lured several of my son's friends using pizza. Four strapping teens made short work of unloading and moving the saw around (although it isn't in a basement).
Grant
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Congrats! You ARE going to enjoy that saw.
I bought my 22124 last Octoer -- and the more I use it, the more I Like it!~!~ Sears is definitely hitting the long ball with these new Orion-made machines.
Between a sale and the Craftsman Club discount I paid about the same in October as the present sale price is -- about $870 INCLUDING all Taxes, Delivery and the 2-year extended warranty.
The contract delivery service sent one "kid" out to make the delivery. This "kid" was about 5'6" and about a hundred pounds bigger than the two saw packages combined. After he got the saw off of the truck's lift gate and onto my furniture dolly, he said"golly, that's sorta heavy."
Yeah. Talk about an understatement.
Anyway, he trundled it on into my garage and left it sitting on my dolly. Oh, Golly. It needed to get out on the back patio (and down onto the ground).
After a Radical Neck Disection to remove a "large" stage 4 SSC last year, I can't do what I used to be able to do. I needed help. I went to the neighborhood Safeway and tried to "hire" a couple of bag-boys/football players. None of those spoiled-rotten kids wanted a quick 20 bucks. I called Sears back and explained the problem. Their response:" No Problem. We'll get the delivery service back out to do it right." They did indeed call the service. The service said the "kid" quit after delivering my saw and they wouldn't help. I called Sears again. This time, two (2) rather large Department Managers from Sears came to my door and put the saw where it belongs and got it on the ground. They even offered to help me get the cast iron wings on the table!
All I can say is "WOW! That's Service!" Try getting that sort of help from those mail-order saw sellers!
Assembly of the 22124 went extremely smoothly. The directions are wonderful -- the screws and bolts are packaged to match the steps and... well, it was just a delight. Except that I would caution everyone to really do follow the directions when they advise to have two (2) persons hang those cast iron wings. They're heavy. I did it solo. Ouch, but I did get it done.
Everything was aligned to as near perfection as anything can get. I was so-o-o disappointed to not have to go to the hassle of truing and squaring all that stuff! (not!)
I was delighted with the saw on the day I first fired it up. Two-and-a-half months later, I'm simply thrilled with it.
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