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Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not).
I kept reading reviews, of all related units, 1/3 HP, 1/2 HP, 3/4 HP..., 1.5HP (and even 2-3HP for people making knives, evidently they appreciate the *consistency* offered by greater power).
The only group that really seemed happy, leaving out the knife makers, were those that had the 1.5HP (say Jet, at $1400, with a closed stand). I guess this is what is known as the "slippery slope".
I could probably make due with my Nicholson rasp and sandpaper due to my "low volume". As Lew would say, my increased knowledge turned me into a "window shopper" for the moment. I just thought I would see how happy people here are with what they are using (particularly if it's still available in the market place).
Bill
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Bill wrote:

OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!)

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On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:20:56 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:

As a hobbyist, I've been using a 1975 Craftsman 4X24 handheld belt sander. I flip it over, as Russell, to use as a stationary. Just recently, it i s showing signs of the brushes or something wearing out. It's been making ugly groaning noises at startup. After a minute or 2, it sounds better, b ut it's not purring.
I vote get a good handheld, for now..... heavy weight and increase AMPs. W ith the handheld, let the weight of the sander be the applied pressure, i.e ., don't apply additional pressure, while sanding.
Sonny
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On 12/12/2014 5:58 PM, Sonny wrote:

I have a Ryobi handheld that is like the Bosch. It has a sanding frame so it can be used for large flattening. The frame is great.
The flat top on it makes it easy to flip over but I don't need to use it. Like I said b4.
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Not sure its a good recommendation or not. I have a Makita belt sander. 4 x24 inch I think. The big handheld belt sander. I have a wood contraption I can turn it over and use it as a stationary sander. Small stationary sa nder compared to the dedicated models. Kind of a dual purpose machine with the little homemade stand.
On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:15:55 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:

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I have a Rikon. It is alright. I use the disk a lot, belt rarely. If I had it to do over, I would probably go for a 12" disk (only) sander and skip the belt.
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I'd agree with dadiOH. I have a 4x24 stationary belt+disk sander (ancient Delta model) which very very rarely gets used. Generally only if I need to adjust the size of a piece of particle board or something like that that I don't want to use a plane on(*). The disk & table can be useful. More often the hand-held belt sander is more useful than the stationary belt.
(you can plane particle board, of course, but only if you don't mind sharpening the blade frequently).
John
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On 12/12/2014 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:

I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection.
But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more.
I also have a 1" wide crapsman that I love too. I use it mostly for metal but also replace the belt for wood that needs a small belt or an inside done as this can be threaded through and remounted to do inside sanding.
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woodchucker wrote:

I'm curious how well it would work on polycarbonate, to "remove BS marks". I may have to buy one to find out... I think it would either work "great" or "crappy" (melting the poly). Interesting that NONE of the benchtop units are variable speed, unlike most of their handheld counterparts.

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On 12/13/2014 8:11 PM, Bill wrote:

that's because they are induction motors while the hand held are universal motors. The induction can not be speed controlled by voltage.
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woodchucker wrote:

Thank you for that short lesson about motors, it is worth remembering! I went and visited the Ridgid sander at Home Depot tonight, and went to Menards too, as long as I was driving by, for the stated purpose of checking sanding tube availability, as well as window shopping the pneumatic tools. I have to say that the MasterForce (Menards brand) tools appear that they would hold up better than the Ridgid brand tools to me. I'd pay more to get more. I think the Ridgid sander is intended to be a "consumable" much like Swingman described the 3-6 gallon air compressors. I think the same applied to all of the "plastic" handheld power tools at Menards, I suppose--that's just about ALL they have. I don't argue that they don't provide good value. I saw someone write, "they won't remind you of your grandfather's tools...". Somewhere tucked in the back of my memory is a Porter Cable belt sander from 1978, or so--that someone was Proud to show me. They didn't have anything bigger than a 3" plastic handheld belt sander at Menards. The salesman said that's what the "average joe" wants. Lew has told me before, I was shopping in the wrong places. I'll give my hand tools a spin.
Cheers, Bill
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On 12/13/2014 10:59 PM, Bill wrote:

It's lighter, it's self insulating (electrically). It can drop without cracking the case to some degree. Even the Festools are plastic Bill. I think you are being too critical. With your experience I think most will work for you.
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woodchucker wrote:

You are probably right, in that most would work for me. But think about the edge sander being otherwise unsupported except by the main spindle, rather like a flag. The vibrations will start increasing from there, starting as soon as you use it. That's what I meant earlier by a "built-in defect". I think the unit is okay as a consumable. It's lightness is a convenience. The unit I am comparing to is the Jet JBOS-5 which is closer to $400 on sale. So adding $100 worth of sanding abrasives, the Ridgid is $300 and the Jet is $500.
Best, Bill
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woodchucker wrote:

I fully-believe that's what the manufacturer's were thinking. I studied the parts diagrams, and picked up the pieces of plastic with my own hands. There are too many of them.
Bill
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Bill wrote:

In case anyone needs this (I see they are sold as a two-pack): http://www.sears.com/ridgid-eb44240-oscillating-edge-belt-sander-replacement-throat/p-SPM9496588713?prdNo=9&blockNoY&blockType=G59
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Bill wrote:

<snip> --------------------------------------------- It's a classic POS product, IMHO.
Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander.
Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you will have some decent equipment.
Lew
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Tonight I worked my way from there. To the Ridgid oss/edge sander combo tool ($200) which I looked at long enough until it started seeming cheap (i.e. of somewhat low quality) to me. Then up to the Jet benchtop 12" sander and OSS which are about $1K for the two. The Jet OSS as well as the Ridgid OSS both have mitered (tilting) tables. It seems like a nice way to bevel off the corners (of many things). I will see how I do first with the spokeshave and hand plane (as John suggested). I am likely to enjoy the peace and quiet they offer.
Bill
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On 12/13/2014 12:49 AM, Bill wrote:

and is surprisingly well made.
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woodchucker wrote:

Thank you for your comment, Jeff. Coming back "down to Earth", that tool should probably be on my short wish list. Probably a common situation among those here, my wife was urging me to go to the store to choose a tool for myself for Christmas. I'll watch whether maybe the Ridgid edge/OSS goes on sale in the next few weeks. In the meantime, I'll try out my spokeshave! : ) I think my 2 spokeshaves, which I picked up at auction, are flat (as opposed to round), but it should be okay...
I ordered this book and gave it to my wife to wrap up for Christmas
"40 Power Tools You Can Make (Woodworking Classics)"
I hope she likes it! ; )
Bill
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