OT - wireless card for old pc

Being a tightwad I'm still using an antique circa year 2000 vintage Pentium

730 mHz which was only intended as a stopgap when a previous faster pc died but is just fast enough to do what I need it for so I've never replaced it. I'd like to get rid of the cat 5 cable to the router which I keep tripping over by sticking a wireless card in it. My laptop (now broken) worked fine wirelessly anywhere in the house so I know the router isn't an issue.

Anything I need to be specifically aware of with such an old pc before I go and buy a completely unsuitable card and then find I can't plug it in?

Any chance the card in the laptop will fit the pc?

Reply to
Dave Baker
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You could try uk.comp.homebuilt for advice.

Posting the make and model of the PC would make life a lot easier for those willing to offer advice.

Things you need to consider:

(1) What bus does your PC support? i.e. what type of card will plug into the slots in the mother board? You may find that the PC is so old that there are no current cards which will fit. However used on eBay is always an option.

(2) What OS are you running? New cards are unlikely to have drivers which work with an old OS. Likewise old cards may well not have drivers included in a newer OS.

(2.1) This also applies to USB devices, which are an obvious alternative to a card.

(3) What is your attitude to network risk? You may find that the only compatible cards/USB devices run 802.11b wireless protocols and WEP security. This is so insecure it might as well be un-encrypted. So if you live on your own in the country, possibly fine. If you live in the student quarter of a large city you may well be hacked within 10 minutes of firing the wireless up.

One other alternative is to buy a modern wireless AP which has an ethernet port to connect to your PC (so no driver issues) and a wireless connection to your router.

These can be had for around £30 and are a very useful item generally - can be used to connect TVs and other smart devices to your router and also dig a PC out of trouble if it has issues with wireless drivers (such as when installing Ubuntu).

Cheers

Dave R

Reply to
David.WE.Roberts

You just need a PCI wireless card, cheap as chips. Why not ask on uac?

The laptop card has what interface? PCMCIA? You can get PCI cards that will take that, but may not be worth the hassle.

Reply to
GB

Have you considered a plug-in USB wifi dongle? I use one of these on an old Win XP machine, all works fine.

Reply to
Paul Herber

I'd second this solution - apart from it being slightly more expensive than getting a cheap PCI card, you'll get much more use out of this in the long term, and it would take the strain off the PC from running a wifi driver p ackage.

Matt

Reply to
larkim

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I echo that. I have a similarly-aged Dell, on which I run Ubuntu 8.04 for Zoneminder, and I wanted the same thing. Finding a card was no problem, but the Ubuntu 8.04 would not recognise the card. If I had not then hard-wired it instead, the Access Point solution would have been a good solution. The PC does not like later versions of Ubuntu, which is why It still runs 8.04, which is fine for the job it does.

Reply to
Davey

THIS bit is the really important question, and the most likely to trip you up.

Reply to
Adrian

Or Homeplug.

Reply to
GB

Intel EA81510A cpu, D815EEA motherboard

133MHz bus, 4 spare PCI slots

XP pro service pack 2

USB ports version 1.1

I live in the middle of nowhere down a farm track 1.5 miles from the nearest two lane road. Unless the local rabbits or sheep get PC savvy I doubt security is much of a concern.

Thanks

Reply to
Dave Baker

What OS is on this computer? Does it have USB ports. As others have said, a USB WiFi dongle is probably the cheapest and easiest solution.

Alternatively, if there is a nearby power point to which you could connect a short ethernet cable without tripping over it, you could replace the long? Cat5 cable with a pair of cheap power-line adapters.

Reply to
Roger Mills

Your PC should have a PC card slot for which there are plenty of wireless cards about. my PC is circa 2003 and I use one of these, running Windows XP.

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It should come with the software, but you can download it if it doesn't.

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Reply to
Road_Hog

Don't get too complacent just because of that 2,640 yard range (2,400 metres). A resourceful hacker can reel this in to an effective range of 300 metres or less if they use the "Wok Antenna" technique to boost the antenna gain at their end by 18db or more (quite a do-able exercise).

I know this seems very unlikely but, the conditions for such an operation are more in the hacker's favour with regard to hiding out of sight of potential witnesses. Such remote properties sitting in the middle of a not inconsiderable piece of real estate might be considered to be a more lucrative target than the typical council house or suburban property.

If you need to provide wireless coverage within the house, you can minimise even this risk by locating the AP or router on the ground floor (or better yet if you have one, the basement) and adjust the antenna(s) to spray the WiFi upwards through the more RF transparent wooden floors (assuming the ceiling plaster boards aren't foil backed). This can be spectactularly effective in old properties with thick stone or brick walls and plaster and lathe ceilings.

Reply to
Johny B Good

Not much.

You would probably be best of using a USB stick if your PC has USB2 and is running an OS that supports it.

You do know you can buy a new PC for about £120 that will save enough electricity to pay for itself in about 18 months or less?

Reply to
dennis

probably not. it will be a different physical format.

IF your USB is fast enough, I THINK there are USB dongles.

But whether a modern dongle will have a legacy driver for your presumably XP or thereabouts OS is another matter.

we need more. OS version, computer model and slot type for cards, and USB type for USB dongles.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Er why don't you get a longer Cat5 cable and reroute it so it's not a trip hazard? Seems a far cheaper and less hassle solution than faffing about with WiFi.

10 m Cat5e Toolstation £4.68, 5 m £2.96. 10 m Cat5e Screwfix £5.20, 5 m £4.18.

At least double those prices for Maplin...

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

Not quite as simple as that. PCI cards come in 3.3V and 5V versions, and a machine that old may only have support for 5V cards. Or only support PCI 2.1 when the card needs 2.2.

Adding new hardware to very old PCs... just don't go there. There's too many things that could trip you up. In theory it'll work but there will be stupid stuff causing roadblocks. Maybe they ship the drivers on a DVD but you only have a CD, something tedious like that.

The ethernet-wifi converter idea sounds like a good one - leaves the PC well alone. You'll need a browser capable of configuring the converter but, if you're using the PC for web anyway, you should be OK. Don't try and run any installation CD that comes with the converter.

Theo

Reply to
Theo Markettos

Sure are here....

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We have one of those in service on an olde WIN 200 machine!...

Reply to
tony sayer

You can get desktop PCI cards that accept PCMCIA laptop cards, but as you're a tightwad you might want to give one of these a go:

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£3.31 inc. P&P :-) I have a couple, I just tried one with Windows XP SP2 and it works fine as long as you use the configuration tool that comes with the driver download. I tried WPA2-PSK [AES] and Windows wouldn't connect to the router, but with the proprietary software it just worked, including automatic connection. This might be a link to the software download:
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Reply to
Rob Morley

Yes, I changed my mind about the wireless card, although I do have some

2000-ish PCs that run them without any issues at all. Homeplug is foolproof and requires no PC resources. A pair of the 85Mb ones is about £15.
Reply to
GB

how much would extending the cat 5 wiring to next door to the mains socket cost?

I only use wireless when using the laptop in bed...to read Edwardian pulp fiction.

(I highly recommend "the Insidious Dr Fu Manchu", which would probably get banned for racism, today)

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

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