OT: How do you make a cocktail with liquid nitrogen?

[Nightjar]

On 11/10/2012 10:26, polygonum wrote: ...

The NFWI advice states that it is because glass is permeable.

Antique containers are specifically excluded from the regulation, so you could use antique lead crystal and still comply.

As I read the legislation, it is primarily aimed at preventing the reuse of plastic containers that are not specifically manufactured to be reused and those made of active materials - materials that release chemicals that help preserve the contents. However, being based on Roman Law, the legislation has to list everything that might possibly be used as a container material, including glass.

The regulations specifically encourage re-use on environmental grounds, providing that food safety is not compromised. I hope the FSA will issue guidance that reflects this.

Colin Bignell

[hugh]

The perceived threat was the leaching out of potentially dangerous chemicals from the containers, especially plastic ones. AFAIK this wouldn't occur with glass, hence it is used as a storage medium for anything from milk to concentrated acids.

[hugh]

Nobody forces you to buy these products, and they are less harmful than a lot of the stuff produced by big pharma - do I need to mention thalidomide?

BTW homeopathy cured our dog when faced with a lifetime of steroids. Placebo effect on the owners no doubt.

[Nightjar]

Hence my comment that the NFWI is talking through its collective hat. All too often, when something is reported as having been banned by the EU or the HSE, the fault lies not with the legislation, but with the interpretation people put on it.

Colin Bignell

[Martin Brown]

It isn't. At least not at a level that matters for foodstuffs.

It does become a real problem with certain heavy ions at ppt levels (that is 1 part in 1,000,000,000,000) and lower as they ion exchange with the sodium on the relatively rough surface and the solution loses strength with time. These days ppq determinations are possible in ultra pure cleanroom environments using suitable kit.

Does that mean you can use antique *POISON* bottles with the ridges to allow the blind to tell they are unsafe to use internally to store food?

Ooops! That seems like an oversight - I would not want to consume food that had been stored in an old strychnine jar however carefully cleaned!

That makes sense given that some of them rely on the active ingredient to keep the food safe from spoilage. I took it to mean not reusing plastic containers that may be totally unsuited to the next material put into them (or cannot be adequately cleaned).

So do I. But I am inclined to fear the worst. Our civil service is very good at interpreting EU law to make it overbearing and completely OTT.

[Martin Brown]

To be fair chiropractors do seem to have something going for them as does acupuncture but homeopathy is just so much meaningless twaddle catering for the worried well who are terrified by "chemicals".

I don't suggest you try using homeopathic treatments for malaria or tuberculosis unless you actually want to die.

The dog was going to get better spontaneously anyway. There is no way on Earth that homeopathy does anything beyond the placebo effect.

The "Pure" water they use for their "dilutions" is risibly *impure* compared to the stuff used in semiconductor fabrication. If taking drops of expensive water or sugar pills helps you then fair enough but it is complete and utter bollocks of the worst possible sort.

[polygonum]

What I keep coming across is people saying that a homoeopath gave them something or other. The initial assumption being that it was in the extraordinary dilutions they use - but then realising that it was some supplement or herbal product not so diluted.

The homoeopaths seem to be happy for their 'patients' to believe that the medicines cannot possibly cause any harm because they are so dilute

- but actually give them something that might cause harm. Sorry - 'sell', not 'give'. And it might help or harm. But misleading it certainly is.

[harry]

Ah so. What did you want it for? My quack gets a small container of it once a month for burning off warts. Or freezing them off.

[harry]

A mate of mine from OZ said he used to make post holes (for fences) back in OZ using explosives. Also get rid of rabbit warrens.

[Martin Brown]

Some herbs can have medicinal properties (although effective ones tend to taste awful) and have real side effects too. There are plenty of entirely natural poisons that in small doses can be beneficial.

The infamous rich young expat women slimmers disease in Belgium was a pretty spectacular demonstration of how natural herbs when used incorrectly are anything but safe. See for example:

they are trying to put the best possible slant on it)

[Jules Richardson]

It was common practice here in Minnesota in the early days when there was bugger-all here except for trees. There's still bugger-all here today, but there are slightly less trees :-)

cheers

Jules

[Man at B&Q]

Really? So you would rether risk a homeopathic treatment before travelling to areas of the world where Malaria is rife?

No it didn't. If it did, it wasn't homeopathy.

MBQ

[Man at B&Q]

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No they don't. Read about Simon Singh and the British Chiropractic Asociation.

That's another resounding no.

[Adam Funk]

I sent the link to him. He hadn't seen it before (although my grandfather worked for DuPont, but not in the explosives division). My mother isn't willing to let him try it for growing tomatoes in the garden.

[Adam Funk]

brochure:

>>> (Probably a bit older than your dad, but the same principle :-) ) >

How big a post? It seems a bit excessive since you have to dig/drill a hole to put the dynamite in anyway.

Bill Murray tried something similar on a gopher.

[Adam Funk]

Splinters spread all over the place, though?

[whisky-dave]

m Watts

You don't need to using LN, I've used the freezer airosols used for cooling= components. Just a few MLs of teh liquipd in a plastic film canister, put = the lid back on and in a miniute or so the lid will hit the cieling, like a= cork from a bottle of champagne. =20

[Martin Brown]

I suggest you read the full case.

Simon Singh correctly objected to certain bogus claims made by *SOME* chiropractors for which there is no good evidence at all. They went after him with a libel case and both wasted a lot of time and money.

I know too many people that have had painful joints helped by Osteopaths or Chiropractors to dismiss all their work out of hand.

Some people do seem to benefit from pain relief using it.

Both of these involve some real physical effects and actions.

No doubt you don't believe that people can be hypnotised either. (admittedly some people are a lot more suggestible than others)

Homeopathy is off in a league of its own for modern day quackery.

Though the back page of New Scientist this week details the latest variation on the same sort of worried well anti-chemical scam. The pseudo scientific mumbo-jumbo on their website is hilarious!

Google NES and Infoceuticals will get you this lastest New Age crap..

CAVEAT EMPTOR

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

"In a middle aged woman who had prolonged and excessive consumption of tomato juice, her skin and liver were colored orange-yellow"

And there was me thinking he was addicted to spray-on tanning.

[Andrew Gabriel]

After 3 weeks in hospital, she spoke with The Sun. Her stomach was perpherated, and has been completely removed.