Are push fit plumbing fittings any good?

[timegoesby]

And if on show will drop the price of your house, and at best make it difficult to sell. use copper where pipes are exposed.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

If you're not Drivel you speak the same peculiar 'English'.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

More Drivel spelling?

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I'm very careful about any pipe jointing in difficult locations. Avoids floods. Of course by the sound of it all your 'refurbishments' will include surface mounted plastic pipes - otherwise you'd have the correct tools?

The more you post here, the more it's obvious you don't make a living by what you claim to.

[Matt]

Get to bed Dribble. Oh I forgot you have got tomorrow off. But no slacking for the rest of the week.

Have you got the gas turned back on yet?

[ARWadsworth]

What would class as a very good reason?

I did an emergency repair at neighbours house to a damaged copper pipe late one night without access to a full toolbox and kit. I did have some plastic pipe (Hep) some inserts and a pipe slice. I did not have my plastic pipe cutters and instead put an insert into the Hep and used the pipe slice to make the cut into the plastic pipe. The process was a little slow but the end result was a good square cut. It gave a better cut than any hacksaw or stanley knife could do.

Adam

[Andy Hall]

I think you answered your own question, Adam. Presumably you didn't have access to the proper tools for whatever reason on this occasion.

[John Rumm]

I found it quite easy, slight rocking motion to start, then it goes straight through. Nice square cut as well.

[David]

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If you would care to google you find this is the most advised answer anyway and it is exactly what I have done as well as many others, you really are starting to sound like an amateur.

[timegoesby]

Reading many of the posts here they just slap plastic pipe anywhere.

I am, in that I am not qualified in any way. Well I term myself as a semi-pro as I earn a living from doing it. I am sure I know more than all the plumbers I have come across, about the range of appliances and types of systems available to get a decent flow at the showers and baths, and save valuable space in a house. Thanks to forums like this.

[Matt Beard]

If you cut the pipe with a hacksaw you will get lots of plastic or copper "grit" floating around (basically plastic or copper sawdust) and if any of this gets into the fitting it is likely to cause a leak, now or in the future. I believe this is one of the main reasons that hacksaws are "forbidden" by the fitting and pipe manufacturers. And it doesn't matter how carfully you wipe everything and blow through the pipes... theres always going to be a bit of this grit left somewhere!

[ARWadsworth]

Never lend your tools to your Dad. You will always need them as soon as he has got them!

I do not have a lot of plumbing equipment and only do the odd bits of plumbing. I still have no regrets on spending about £10 on a decent plastic pipe cutter from a wholesalers. I believe it has paid for itself already on the few jobs I have used it.

Adam

[David]

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I don't think that's true, being a fan of plastic I have read most of the posts that have come up on the subject and I don't see any justification for your comment. The posts I have seen all state that its fine for out of sight but use copper in visible areas. You will find your mentor condemns plastic out of hand and insists that the only place for plastic is in the toybox, perhaps you would like to get into a discussion with him about it?

s'funny that tradesmen are considered professionals in their field and yet we condemn many of them as cowboys, when we claim to be semi-pro is that like half a cowboy? doing a professional job is better than being labelled a diyer, semi-pro or pro and that, I guess, is where this forum comes in. The reason the combi argument rages around is that one size does not fit all and space taken up by a cylinder is not always that valuable, many people find combi's to be inadequate and have no problem with conventional systems (like me for instance), you have found that the information gleaned from a certain poster on here is useful for what you do, fine, but I'm sure you will agree that it won't suit everybody in every situation and that is where John falls down, he won't accept that at all and takes the arguments to the silly lengths that they go to (I do agree that its takes more than one to tango)

[timegoesby]

I'm sure he is more than capable. If he said plastic is a no, no at all costs, then I never took any notice.

I'm sure there are some brilliant forward thinking plumbers who see the clients views and main aims, unfortunately I have never come across them. It wasn't their craft skills I was disappointed with, it was their inability to deliver a system with minimal components that releases space and gives high pressure flows.

One size does not fit all that is true. I find that in most instances a combi of some description will meet most of my requirements now I am aware of the products available. I did put two combis in one house to great success. Space is important to me, as is a neat and tidy box when one is needed. I like some Gledhill cylinders as they are in a nice square neat box with all the pumps inside out of the way. The last think I want is a cold water tank and cylinder with pumps and valves hanging off it. That is a real turn off when people open the cupboard. In one house I fitted a combi at the back of the old airing cupboard, to supply only the shower and put a low pressure combination cylinder in the loft heated by the CH side of the combi. A great success, with space liberated, fast bath fills and a high pressure shower. I am interested in IMMs Rinnai suggestion to install outside and save inside space and supply two body jet showers simultaneously. Rinnai, in Runcorn, said they have a model that would do it, which being fitted outside is a doddle to fit. Would my local plumber have suggested that? I doubt it. This forum gave me that way and one landlord, Richman, has already took it up in his student house.

I'm off to bed, as I have a hard week ahead.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Heard somewhere that external water heaters are a big turn off for buyers.

One moment you're on about ultra high class developments, next student houses? This seems suspiciously like the 'one size fits all' philosophy of your hero.

[timegoesby]

Did Mary whisper that in your ear while nibbling it? :-)

[Capitol]

The IMM suggestion of using a Rinnai heater to supply two simultaneous showers sounds like a disaster on the way to a happening. Just do a Google search for the users experience and you won't touch one with a bargepole!

Regards Capitol

[timegoesby]

I haver Googled on the web and the goups and the majority of info is that the Rinnai is spot on and very reliable. Few negative comments overall. It is the largest produced multi-point in the world, which would tell you something.

[timegoesby]

Living up to your Moron image I see.

[Andy Hall]

Yes - that it's the largest produced multi-point in the world. Even if true, this is no guarantee of any level of quality.

[Owain]

Gazillions of flies eat shit, they can't all be wrong?

Owain