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On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:35:31 -0600, The Daring Dufas

The UAW took a pretty good haircut recently. They also bought out most of the people who were really making the big bucks but they left with fat pensions. All of my wife's family are UAW folks (Kokomo In, Chrysler and Delco). The thing that really pumped up their gross was overtime. They make (made?) double or even triple time for some schedules and the old timers knew how to squeeze that schedule for every dime possible. My brother in law's kid made almost $65,000 the first year out of high school (1987) putting transmission cases up on the line, setting a bearing and hitting it with an air hammer.
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On Mar 13, 1:00 am, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

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Now that IS ridiculous.
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I clicked on the link for "$73/hour" to see what the source was. I get blocked by a login page for rightvoices.com.
So I still have no idea where that number comes from.
Or what it means.
The claim is that some time in the past, someone estimated that a UAW worker made $73/hr, (possibly including benefits).
I don't know if base pay for the UAW was ever 73, that sounds extreme. Clearly that's not what they make now.
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Dan Espen

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On 3/12/2013 8:25 PM, Dan Espen wrote:

I believe that's what the comment on the site meant. In the past, the demands of the unions were so egregious that it put American automobile manufacturers at a great disadvantage. The $73 amount must include an average of all benefits plus overtime. I can remember working hourly as a peasant and I lived for overtime but the tax on the overtime pay often wiped out any gains unless the overtime was extreme. o_O
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:09:07 -0600, The Daring Dufas

I worked with guys who thought like you. Never could make them understand they were all wrong to turn down overtime because of taxes. Didn't try hard. I got their overtime.
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Except that what he stated about the total costs of union workers in Detroit had nothing to do with taxes or what you're talking about. He's simply saying that the union auto workers had pay, benefits, vacations, pensions, etc that put the total cost to the company at over $70 an hour. Their non-union rivals had costs that were closer to $40 an hour. That has nothing to do with some dummy turning down overtime because of taxes.
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:48:59 -0700 (PDT), " snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net"

Hey dipshit, howya doing? And why the fuck are you talking about bullshit I never addressed in this post? Because you're a dipshit? I was addressing the overtime vs taxes issue. Clear as day. Only a dipshit like you can't see that. But I have a solution to what ails you. Go fuck yourself.
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It's clear that what you brought up, rejecting working overtime because some dummies think it's not worth it because of allegedly higher taxes, isn't what DD was talking about. He was talking about Detroit labor costs at $70+ an hour killking the auto companies. And no amount of vulgarity is going to change that. I'd say that puts you in with the dummies, dummy.
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When he's on a loser, he moves the goal posts.
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On 3/13/2013 11:09 AM, Vic Smith wrote:

I never stated that I turned down overtime. When I've worked for someone and was asked to go the extra mile I always did it unless the employer was a total hoser. ^_^
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wrote:

It's just bullshit. Propaganda. I was a semi-skilled UAW worker for about 9 years. Mostly running heavy presses, heavy shears, and 8-torch cutting machines. IH Tractor Works (bulldozers) in Chicago and Melrose Park, IL. My jobs always paid "premium" wages compared to about 90% of the jobs there. Only skilled trades guys made more, and not a lot more. Most I made was about 6 bucks an hour, while others were doing 4.5 to 5.5 an hour. All wages were known. No secrets. About 1971 we struck for a week. I read in the Chicago Tribune the average worker is making 28 an hour with benefits. Complete and total bullshit. So unless the writer quotes a contract showing wages and company contributions towards benefits, and does correct math, I don't believe any of it. Does the "wage" figure include SS taxes, workers comp, unemployment insurance? Those aren't wages. They're company expenses. How many actual company expenses are jammed in to inflate the wage number? Does the "wage and benefits" number account for pension underfunding? Will the pension even be there at retirement? Are the CEO's gold shower curtains worked into the hourly wage number? You get the picture.
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Interesting. What you say sounds like truth to me. It amazes me how any middle class American can vote republican. I expect they suck up all the propaganda/FoxNews. The ones here seem to.
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Of course it would sound like the truth to you, because you're the village idiot as has been demonstrated over and over again.
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On Mar 12, 11:36 pm, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@stinky- finger.net> wrote:

Well, the unions may or may not have destroyed a company. The banksters destroyed the world.
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On 3/13/2013 9:26 AM, harry wrote:

It was the bankster's union that did it Harry! ^_^
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On Mar 14, 2:30 am, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@stinky- finger.net> wrote:

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LOL.
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wrote:

# # Who wrote that? One of your tea leafs? #
Didn't you actually READ the article ? The answers to your question would have been obvious had you done so.
# Capitalists got greedy, short termism ran riot. # GM had to turn to the taxpayer to bail them out. # Capitalism failed.
You're confused again It was the UNIONS that got greedy
But then you're so stupid you can't even read a cite that proves you wrong.
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wrote:

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It was capitalists and banksters destroyed the economy. And now have their begging bowls out and their hands in the taxpayer's pocket. Most of all the credit rating agencies.
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wrote:

It was capitalists and banksters destroyed the economy.
Sure harry Now go take your meds.

You are a most amusing source of inane stupidities.
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 01:04:33 -0700 (PDT), harry

Detroit was destroyed by socialism. Unions and the welfare system
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