We have two, beautiful Kohler toilets that we are changing out with
Toto's. These are 3.5 gpf toilets. I know they can be used as long
as they were installed prior to the 1.6 reg, but can they be used at
all by someone else? I was thinking of something like a mountain
cabin. These were very expensive toilets, and I hate to just put them
in the trash.
I am pretty sure the law is that you can no longer manufacture the
toilets, I do not believe there is a prohibition on selling or
installing one in your own home.
I live in Detroit, and we go to the Home Depot in Canada to get a real
toilet, drive it back across the border.
Yes, I am a toilet smuggler, but only for personal use.
On 2 Mar 2005 08:53:44 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
14 year old toilets. I can hardly wait to replace them with 1.6 gpf
toilets that actually make the water go down instead of swirl around
aimlessly. The 1.6 gpf toilet that I had in my previous house worked
incredibly well and saved a lot of money in water bills. Sometimes
the ones I have now have to be flushed three times. The water saver
never needed more than one flush. It was a real toilet. The water
wasters are not.
Anyone who is serious about learning of the best toilets on the market
today should start here http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm To get
right to the nitty-gritty, this report is very informative. That web
site has a lot of good information as well.
For most people, flushing toilets uses more water than any other
household use. That was the reason for mandating low flow toilets. I
think replacing my toilet in the old house cut my total water usage by
a quarter. Here I am on flat rate water, so they won't pay for
themselves, but I want something that flushes properly and stays
That is hard to believe. How much does a washing machine load use?
How many loads does a family of four use in a week? How many length
showers does the household take? And what about standing by the sink
with the water running?
But the bigger issue is why people think household use somehow destroys
water. It doesn't. In fact putting water out to a septic field is
_returning it to the natural environment_. Evaporation, cloud
formation, precipitation, collection and distribution can happen again.
It is perfect recycling.
In fact there is _no shortage of water on Earth_. Fossil fuel
combustion is creating more water as a by-product all the time. You
might have an issue with where the water is, but the solution is more
pipelines and tankers (or towing icebergs!), but stopping use is the way
you create deserts.
The trouble is, anyone with "a good idea" can call himself an
"environmentalist." There are no standards, no professional groups, no
licenses, no degrees.
You must live on the east coast as I do. These so called water saving
gadgets are a necessity for the west coast people. They are forced
down our throat by the federal government. It takes the industry a few
years to get the water saving toilet to work right. I am not the only
one who has to ditch at least one water saving toilet when it is
mandated by the fed but the toilet manufacturer did not went back to
the drawing board to re-engineer it. But I think the water saving
toilet is a good idea, after being re-engineered of course.
Historically the east coast has never had shortage of water. The
occassional drought does not count. LA for example, is practically
built in a desert.
Wanted to use one in our front yard until the lot next door was sold
(hopefully to me and at my price) but my wife wouldn't let me. Had access
to a beautiful old Avocado Green one I removed from my mother in laws old
mobile home, too. Oh, well. Seriously, we put Toto in our new bathroom
remodel and it works better than any old high gallon model we ever had.
Wonder if some people call taxi's from their hospital room to take them home
so they avoid sitting on hospital toilet cooties... god forbid a nurse
brings them a portable toilet seat with a bucket under it. Ewwww, get that
hose back in my nose now!.
heck I'd probably buy a used 1.6g toilet
have you seen some of the prices!
I'm sure a good sanitizing would fix em.
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