I have inherited aboutb a dozen plastic candy canes, from some old Christmas decorations. A couple are solid, most are hollow transparent plastic and originally had miniature lights inside.
Before I throw them out, or maybe give them to Goodwill, does anyone have any ideas for reusing them?
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:15:23 AM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Shepherds were NOT abiding in the fields in the middle of winter. They wou
ld have been "abiding in the fields" in the spring, which is when Jesus wa
s probably born. However, the Church took over the Winter Solstice and con
verted it to its own use, just as it converted thousands of pagan wells, sh
rines, festivals to its own use.
As primitive humans saw the days getting shorter, they feared that the Sun
would disappear and they would die. So every belief system (religion) has
come up with some kind of event aimed at pleading with the Sun not to disap
pear. Christmas, Hanukah, Diwali, and many, many other "festivals" take pl
ace around the Winter Solstice.
I understand what you're saying, but people living 2000 years ago were
of equal intelligence to people today. They knew from past experience
that the days got shorter in the winter and longer in the summer, and
had no more genuine concern that the days would continue to get shorter
until the Sun stopped rising than we do today.
The festivals they held back then were no doubt to thank the Gods for
restoring the Sun to shine for another year, but just like festivals
nowadays, the reasons for having them really revolved around the fact
that every one sincerely wanted to eat, drink and have a great time, not
really so much to celebrate the fact that the world wasn't going to end
Today, we celebrate Thanksgiving, to thank God for the bountiful harvest
that we have reaped from our farms that will sustain us for the winter
and into the new year. But, really, if that were the driving force
behing Thanksgiving, it would be mostly only farmers would celebrate it.
Instead, everyone celebrates Thanksgiving, including the fishermen on
the east and west coats and the cattle ranchers in Alberta, Montana and
Wyoming. And so, it's a safe bet that the real driving force behind
Thanksgiving is the big Thanksgiving Day meal that everyone looks
forward to. A time to really pig out on some good eats.
I expect you had a similar level of "hypocracy" with the Winter solstice
festivals 2000 years ago. Officially, it was to celebrate the Sun
coming back for another year, but unofficially it marked the end of one
year and the beginning of another year, and that in itself was good
enough reason to party.
An awful lot has changed in 2000 years, but people haven't changed one
The only people making that claim are right wing nut jobs. I've never
heard anyone on the left thinking that highly of Obama. Not even close
- the farther left you are, the more critical you are of his
performance. As has been said many a time by many a leftie, Obama's
the best Republican president we've had since Clinton.
On Monday, November 4, 2013 8:16:29 AM UTC-8, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
I'm in the most vilified category "Independent" because we actually think,
research, analyze -- all without benefit of ideology. Something the extrem
ists on either side have trouble grasping.
The Mad Dogs on the far-far-far Republican Right swore to bring Obama down
(Mitch McConnell on the record) by obstructing his every initiative for the
benefit of the people rather than the corporations and Wall Street. Treas
Even so, Obama blew it by trying to make nice to the Mad Dogs. You don't re
ach out a hand to someone who's sworn to bite it off. LBJ would never have
allowed the chutzpah they display toward the President; he had decades of
rough&tumble legislative experience before JFK picked him for VP.
Obama hires really stupid people to represent him on TV, and seems to surro
und himself with unqualified advisors.
Get with it, Mr. President! You only have a few more years to make a differ
ence. Stop making speeches and make a difference. GROW A PAIR!
because we actually think, research, analyze -- all
without benefit of ideology. Something the extremists
on either side have trouble grasping.
to bring Obama down (Mitch McConnell on the record) by
obstructing his every initiative for the benefit of the
people rather than the corporations and Wall Street.
Mad Dogs. You don't reach out a hand to someone who's
sworn to bite it off. LBJ would never have allowed the
chutzpah they display toward the President; he had
decades of rough&tumble legislative experience before
JFK picked him for VP.
TV, and seems to surround himself with unqualified advisors.
years to make a difference. Stop making speeches and make
a difference. GROW A PAIR!
You have got to be kidding. You really think that O tried
to negotiate with the right? That's not how I heard it.
The Reps passed several budgets, and O vetoed them all.
You really think O hasn't made a difference in the US?
I'd say that gutting the military, firing the generals,
throwing millions of Americans off their health care
plans, increasing unemployment from 4% to 20% Operation
Fast and Furious, and the Benghazi slaughter. Those all
were different. Sequester, government shut down. All on
Ah, but not every culture in every era treats the winter solstice as
the end of the year/start of the new year. For many Asian cultures, it
is based on the lunar calendar. Even for Western societies the date
has not always been in mid-winter.
European countries in the middle ages celebrated the New Year at the
spring equinox. A remnant of that tradition continues in April Fools
Day. After the change to celebrating the New Year on January 1st,
people celebrating January 1st as the new year made fun of those
foolish people who continued to celebrate the new year as starting in
Despite our instinctive belief that 'traditional' means unchanged,
even traditions change over time. Reading up on the evolution of
Christmas into a family-centered holiday, and the customary practices
in the US of celebrating of Halloween reveal how comparatively recent
many such 'traditional' holiday practices are. In a nutshell, the
primary driver of developing new practices (or evolving customary
ones) centered on making both holidays more children-friendly. That
had the beneficial effect of making both holidays good for business as
well, by spurring demand for goods associated with the holiday (candy,
costumes, decorations, and gifts).
On Monday, November 4, 2013 8:42:19 AM UTC-8, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
You hit that one on the head! Chistmas used to be a religious holyday for
Christians (or at least SOME Christians; the early Pilgrims to America fore
bade its celebration!).
In the late 19th Century, British entrpreneurs began a very successful mark
eting campaign to transform Christmas into a gift-giving bonanza for (their
) fun & profit. So now we have stressed, frustrated shoppers running down
to the drugstore to pick up a last-minute [gift]. Stores display Christmas
decorations & gifts earlier each year, even before Thanksgiving. You can'
t blame them, since the market has become so distorted that some stores nus
t count on 1/3 of their annual sales during the "Christmas season".
Wonder what the Subject would have thought of all this hoo-hah. As the bum
per sticker proclaims: WWJT/D.
Perhaps you and some like minded folks should form The Grinch Terrorist
Group. You can blow up Christmas parades, chop down Christmas trees,
vandalize and burn nativity scenes, etc. It would be epic, the effect
would be amazing. There would be a Neighborhood Grinch Watch, there
would be roaming bands of armed federal troops stopping anyone with a
Christmas present, tearing the package open and scattering the contents
to make sure it's not a GTG bomb. Every Christmas season there would be
roadblocks with machine gun armed police wearing Santa and Elf hats,
stopping and searching every vehicle to make sure it's not a GTG car
bomb. You and those of your ilk could change society forever. ^_^
Higgs, being an independent heavy duty Obama supporter,
would certainly support all the actions you outline.
She independently decided that Obama needs to grow a pair,
and put machine gun road blocks on every intersection.
It's for the children. Nobody is making up her mind for
her. Obama! Obama! Obama! Kill Tea Party terrorists!
She decided that, all on her own.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:18:38 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
But the "shepherds abiding in the fields" were at altitude in Jerusalem, wh
ich is much colder than the lowlands and sometimes has snow.
(There was a huge snowstorm a few years ago where many snow-laden trees wer
e snapped off at the base. Typical of lousy city planning the world over, t
he wrong trees were planted -- shallow root systems.)
ISTR that Bethlehem was supposed to be Jesus' birthplace (actually, histori
cal research has proved that it was Nazareth).
However, in the interests of research <g>
If I were a shepherd abiding in the fields, I would choose the warmest set
-up with the most pasturage. Which would be in the Spring, at lambing sea
son, where shepherds need to be alert for lambing problems.
Here's a note (from a Messianic site) that bears out this logical suggestio
"And there were shepherds living out in the fields near by, keeping wa
tch over their flocks at night" (Luke 2:8, NIV).
Whilst many commentators who have remarked on the impossibility of Messiah
being born on 25 December because of the shepherds have opted for an autumn
al birth, they have invariably overlooked one vital piece of information wh
ich in my opinion gives us an important key to a spring birth for the Messi
ah, namely the fact that spring is the lambing season. In Israel and in sur
rounding nations lambing occurs over a two week period from late March to e
arly April. During this season the flocks require the constant attention of
their shepherds, who keep careful watch over their sheep and their newborn
for their own safety. At no other time of the year are shepherds so closel
y tied to their flocks.
Whilst it is true that the flocks are also under the shepherds' watchcare d
uring the summer and autumnal/fall months as well (they are outdoors from l
ate March to early November), it is by no means as demanding as in the lamb
ing season when predators are more likely to exploit the vunerability of bo
th sheep and lambs. We should also recall the prophetic events surrounding
Yah'shua's (Jesus') birth and how it was that Herod the Great, that human p
redator, attempted to massacre all the newborn children of Bethlehem follow
ing Messiah's reported birth (Matt.2:16-20).
Considering how the seasons of the year affect the behaviour of the sheep a
nd the shepherds, it seems reasonable to conclude that the shepherds in the
Judean hills would be "keeping watch over their flocks at night" in the sp
ring and that, therefore, spring was a likely time for the birth of Messiah
. The early morning of 6 April falls during the lambing season.
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