OT: Colorado buyers saved from Amazon tax

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Robert Green wrote:

The guns near schools business was struck down by the Supreme Court. Mandatory health care is in the pressure cooker. The heat is on.
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wrote:

At one time people were transfixed watching OJ and Tawana Brawley, too. Both were about as legitimate, policy wise, as this mess.
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Robert Green wrote:

I agree. Now, millions of people know they don't have to run away.
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You misuderstood him He really, REALLY wants SYG laws to be reversed. Apparently he feels that people should be forced to run away when out and about, and braced by a criminal.
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:58:39 -0400, "Robert Green"

They don't want a penny from those stores. They are not asking Amazon to give them a penny. They want YOUR money. They just want Amazon, et al, to act as the collector for them.
In addition to collecting sales tax, the B & M stores do pay local real estate taxes, inventory taxes, personal property taxes on machines and fixture, etc. The Internet sellers are paying those taxes in the states and towns where they have facilities. They may be paying more taxes to another town three states away and covering their local police costs.

If you avoid the use or sales tax, that revenue will be made up in other ways. The state has a budget and will do whatever they have to in order to bring in that money. You avoid $1 in sales tax, they raise the restaurant tax. You buy a new TV on line, they tax haircuts. If you avoid paying your share, your neighbor gets whacked for more to make up for it.
No free lunch, The states get the money one way or another.
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Re Re: Colorado buyers saved from Amazon tax:

Only true where tax payers do not demand that government cut programs until it can stay within budget. If a taxpayer demands that, but his neighbor doesn't, then let the neighbor pay the taxes.
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You mean, like California? <snicker>
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snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Stop it! You're killin' me.
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On 4/6/2012 5:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Exactly, and requiring a local merchant to be a tax collector and not applying the same requirement to online merchants is totally unfair.
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work of that jurisdiction? They have the laws and the means to collect but don't want to bother doing the work.
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J Carter wrote:

Depends on your state. Some ask you to tabulate your out-of-state purchases on your state income tax. For states without an income tax, there's a form you can get from your state comptroller.
The state relies on voluntary compliance inasmuch as finding and collecting the tax would be an expensive and logistical nightmare - even for a government - for the state to take the initative.
FUN WITH TAXES, #37
What you could do is send the comptroller a note along the lines (write in crayon so it will be noticed):
"Hello dear tax people. While on a recent trip to the Dry Tortugas, I bought a pack of gum. I brought this pack of gum, unopened, back to my hometown of Left Elbow, (fill in state). I am enclosing the three cents in state sales and use tax below. Sorry for the oversight."
Tape three pennies to the letter and mail away. Wait two weeks. Send another letter.
"Dear tax people: In my original remittance of two weeks ago, I miscalculated. My tax obligation was really TWO cents instead of the three originally specified. Please refund the overpayment at your earliest convenience."
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On 4/4/2012 5:32 PM, HeyBub wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20316979/federal-court-tosses-colorados-amazon-tax#ixzz1r6rWI6Zz
No sales tax here in Delaware but on some internet orders I see a line item for tax, if any.
I always assumed that mail or phone orders were taxed. Why not internet?
I believe there is another problem with states like California that wants to collect sales tax from places like Amazon if sales come from California even though going to a state like Delaware with no tax. Might be why Amazon located one of their first centers in Delaware to avoid such BS.
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:31:44 -0400, Frank

Years ago, the sales tax situation was the same as now, most mail-order companies did not collect it. Before the Internet, that was a tiny portion of the overall sales so the states did little to enforce the laws or force collection. Internet sales are becoming a large portion of overall sales and for big ticket items.
If in 1975 you ordered a new album from Columbia House, the tax was maybe 30 or $1 on that nice pen and pencil set, but today, the tax on an Amazon appliance can be $50 or $100 or more times many more orders. How about that tax on a Dell laptop?

If you live in CA, you owe the tax. Same with other states with sales taxes.
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On 4/6/2012 11:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Not only live there but if visiting and you buy something there you also pay tax. But if I buy mail order from California and Delaware has no tax then no tax is paid. I heard that California wanted to collect tax from anything sold there even if mailed out of state.
In our small state of Delaware, shopping center parking lots are full of out of state cars. Matter of fact state has highway signs as you drive in:
http://somd.com/news/headlines/2011/14174.shtml
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:26:55 -0400, Frank

Where does the money to run the state come from? NH has no sales tax, but has very high property taxes. Delaware has some toll roads, but those shoppers are not paying that much to make up for the loss of sales taxes. Are they getting enough in corporate taxes? Delaware is a big state for incorporations.
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On 4/7/2012 2:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Good question. I can't find the actual distribution of income, but there is income tax which can run up to 7%, the corporate income as you mention, casinos at race tracks. There is a small transfer tax that sellers pay and it is something like a quarter of a percent. License fees, car registration fees, a transfer tax on a new car maybe 3%. Property taxes go to the counties and schools. All in all, taxes are lower then neighboring states of PA, NJ and MD. In a housing development on the PA border a house in PA will pay twice the property tax as Delaware's.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Good point. In my view, states should rely on voluntary contributions.
They are, after all, a charity writ large.
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On 4/8/2012 8:37 AM, HeyBub wrote:

One third of state expenditures comes from corporate taxes.
Surprisingly 12% comes from escheat. (I had an inactive credit union account a couple of years ago and got notice that since I had not done anything for 5 years, if I didn't do something, the State would get it. I withdrew the $100 or so in it and closed it out.)
Add the lottery, casinos, gas and cigarette taxes etc means that less than half of Delaware's income is from income tax.
Last year, as a retiree over 65 on exempt SS and mostly exempt pension, my share was only about 0.5% of my income but 4% went to local property taxes. Franchise tax for my little S corp was $125.
Tax wise, it is cheaper to live down state. My son's father in law with a house about the same as mine pays only half the tax. He says big difference is that lower county is ruled by Republicans vs Democrats where I live ;)
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:05:39 -0400, Frank

Wow, I'd never guess that much. I always wondered how people could forget about money. Then I got a letter from an insurance company (second notice yet) that my pension from a job I left in 1970 would go to the state in 90 days if I did nothing. The company move and then went out of business a few years later and I never thought about a pension. It was a $4500 lump sum! Glade they were able to track me down.
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On 4/8/2012 12:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

It was a big surprise. I let my wife do the banking and this was only account left in my name only, left over from my working days. She's got money spread around between several accounts in 3 or 4 banks. I know some accounts have no activity and now I'm wondering if an inactive account in a bank where other accounts are active might be stolen by the state.
Googling escheat Delaware, I can't say I am too happy with this:
http://revenue.delaware.gov/unclaimedproperty.shtml
I think it takes 5 years to fall into escheat and it looks like they could hit a dormant account in a bank even if others are active at the bank. I just closed out an inactive no fee checking account that had been inactive for 3 years as there might have been a new fee for that.
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