Our 17 cu. ft. refrigerator has finally gotten to the point where I can't
find parts or keep it alive any longer and since older units are not very
energy efficient, I have decided it's time for euthanasia.
So I am looking for an equivalent (or slightly smaller) unit as a
Anyone have any recommendations as to brands and models? Don't want to
spend a lot because we'll be moving soon and the unit will likely be staying
behind. Don't need an icemaker or cold water dispenser, just a
straight-forward food cooler.
Thanks in advance for any input!
I think you answered your own question when you said you do not want to
spend a lot and you are moving soon. If that is anything less than two
years, then look for the least expensive price and do not worry about the
If I was wanting a good one, then it would be Whirlpool.
Thanks. We've been moving since 2008 when the real estate market tanked, so
we could be here until the market "shakes out." How long that will be is
anyone's guess, but I suspect that by 2011, people will be unable to wait
out planned life changes much longer. My wife's decided she needs to
continue to work as long as she can instead of retiring last year because
the future is so uncertain. What was once a nice nest egg is a runny,
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:12:01 -0400, "Robert Green"
You *are* an optimist. 2011 is going to be the double-dip that Obama'a
actions demand. It'll be another five years before this mess gets
SWMBO would love to quit her job and retire but she got awfully tired of
staying home, too. I retired in '06. That lasted nine months. My current
plan is to work another five to eight years. By then I'll have all the toys I
need to retire in style. ;-)
We'll see. Eventually fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly and people got to
sell their houses and move. I'm surprised it's stayed flat for so long but
as I recall, it was an insane seller's market in 2007 and now its an insane
buyer's market. The pendulum has to swing back at some point, and when it
does, I think it will be surprising how fast it moves. The problem is that
psychologically, everyone wants to either capture the false appreciation
that the bubble caused when they sell and not pay for someone else's false
appreciation when they buy. But houses in my neighbor have started to
sell - at about half the price of their highest during the boom.
Staying home is hard work. I miss the lunches out, the camaraderie, the
bigger paycheck and lots of other things. I don't miss the god-awful
commute and I've found that I make much more of a mess when I am home that I
ever did working. Somehow more projects get started than ever get finished.
Speaking of which, I signed on to get refrigerator advice, so . . .
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:05:59 -0400, "Robert Green"
Indeed. I propose that we won't like what we see.
Not so much. People won't be trading up, or down. A few will be forced to
move for work. Most will not.
It happened that way in the early '80s, but only after Reagan/Volcker finally
killed inflation. We haven't yet seen the inflation that *must* follow this
bunch of drunken sailors.
Often they *can't*. When you're upside-down money has a way of controlling
That's certainly dependant on location. That's certainly true for many areas
that saw the greatest appreciation. Corrections are like that.
My commute was only five miles, but yes, I busted my butt when I retired.
Well, I got sick for a couple of months, but then finished all those jobs I'd
started, but never finished, when I was working. ;-) Once I got all that
done, SWMBO declared that I could no longer make messes (the house was on the
market - messes don't work). I got *really bored, so found a job within a
couple of weeks. It was a contracting job out of state but I made out like a
bandit for a year.
That's always true. We did just buy a refrigerator, but not what you're
My wife declared a moratorium on science projects - anything with trailing
wires or flashing lights - so we could show the house. But after having
troops of looky-lous but no firm contracts we decided we would sell *after*
we moved even though that will limit seriously what we can buy.
I think empty houses always sell for more - just because they look bigger,
but that's just personal observation. I am sure others have seen the
We're still not 100% on where we're going. It *was* San Diego, but both the
city AND the state are in serious trouble so we're waiting until she stops
working to get serious. Last two assignments have been abroad, next one
might be, too. It's strange how much a bad market can change all your plans
if it hits at exactly the wrong time. I guess there's never a right time.
Yeah, they are that way. Since I wasn't working there was no way to buy a
house without selling the one we had. I got an apartment in Ohio and went
alone while she sold the place, which she did in three months. Actually, the
buyers made an offer about the time I left but they wanted the contract
contingent on their house selling. Since we had just put the house on the
market, I didn't like that idea. They sold three months later and bought
ours. I should have accepted the contingency. :-/
All agents I know (and my wife worked for many) have told us the opposite.
People want to visualize how the layout works. For example, a bedroom is
easier to size up if there is a bed in it. Beds are standard so even if it's
a queen and you have a king it's easier to visualize the fit than if there is
nothing. In fact there are companies that just do "staging" for this purpose.
I thought '07 was a bad time to sell, until '08 and '09. I found a regular
job in '08, so we moved to Alabama and bought a house. We probably should
have rented before we bought but a year in an apartment was about all I could
One day I will learn not to beat myself up over not having 20-20 hindsight.
It's not today, though. We almost sold and moved just before the crash but
mom got cancer and that took all our spare time and then some. 2008 was a
bad, bad year in so many ways . . .
We've got an unusally small home and lots of stuff. Agents were always
telling us to put as much as we could in storage. I guess the idea is to
have it looked "lived in" but not like a packrat's burrow. (-: Now my
wife wants me to get rid of the 20 or so PC's I've built starting with my
first IBM clone in 1985. They're lined up against the basement wall, doing
nothing, so I suppose it's time but it's so hard to dispose of something
you've spent so much time on, even if it's worthless now. I've promised I
would as soon as I've copied all the data off them. Ahem.
That's what we're thinking. Renting before buying. That will give the
market time to recover but sometimes I wonder if it ever will.
Housing demand is really "adjustable" in that kids can move back in with
their parents when they get in a jam. I know several folks whose kids are
back in the nest and no one is happy about it, neither the kids nor the
I just read an article that said in NYC they have begun stringent
enforcement of partitioning laws to prevent people from taking apartments
and chunking them up into smaller units by dividing the LR into two more
bedrooms. The cause was the death of some firefighters whom the city claims
died because they became disoriented fighting a fire in an illegally
BTW, we bit the bullet and bought a new GE fridge. It's SO quiet compared
to the old one but more importantly, it uses 1/4 the juice the old one did.
We should have done it much, much sooner. I was astounded when I compared
the Kill-o-Watt readings. Some of the reasons are obvious - the doors and
walls are perhaps three times as thick as the old unit and I am sure that
the motor is much more efficient.
I was worried from reports on the web that it wouldn't cool as quickly as
the old one, but it cooled quickly enough for my taste. $600 (included an
additonal two year warranty) but worth it - AND - we stimulated the economy!
Got it from HomeDespot and I must say, it was pretty painless (except for
the $ part) once a salesman actually showed up in appliances - took 20
minutes! The guys they sent were pros - had to take the side door off
(which we never use and whose hinge pins had rusted). Thank God for WD-40.
A two minute soak and that pin popped right out.
These two very small Hispanic guys managed to navigate some very awkward
turns by carrying it between them with just a big strap underneath. I was
impressed - not a scratch or mark anywhere. Showed up two hours early, too.
Took away the old box too, for free. Delivery and set-up was done by a
company called HBI - they also called three times after the install to make
sure I was happy. Good deal.
We figured that we could be staying here for a while so why not be happy and
cut the electric bill at the same time? Of course, now that we've made the
purchase, we'll find the perfect real estate deal.
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:44:14 -0400, "Robert Green"
<snip - quotation levels are getting messed>
Not so much beating myself up as an observation. We sold in 2007 and bought
in 2008. I should have waited another year to buy but as I said, I was really
sick of living in an apartment.
More precisely, they want it to looked lived in so people can see how things
fit. It also helps hide the imperfections of an empty room. If there isn't
furniture to look at perhaps it'll be a crack in the wall that grabs the
I still have my "first day order" IBM PC (from '82). I've pretty much gotten
rid of all of the rest of the junk, after the last two moves. The next won't
be any easier, though. I've added a ton (almost literally) of tools.
Preparing for retirement. ;-)
You don't want the market to recover *before* buying! I'm sure it will
recover, but not soon.
Understandable. Ours is married, so that certainly wouldn't work out well.
They have maps of every apartment? Seems lame. Not that I disagree much with
We recently bought a Electrolux 'fridge from Lowes. Same deal, though it's a
straight shot for us (this house is on a slab). We'll probably buy the
matching stove around Christmas. We're debating on whether we want to go for
gas (dual fuel) or electric. I'd have to have gas piped around the house -
another $400 if we went that way.
I doubt that a 'fridge or the $600 is going to make much of a difference here.
Ah yes, I can describe the many faults concealed in this house. First was
the giant hole, not just crack, in the wall and floor where the sellers had
torn out a half-partition to make room for the 17CF refrigerator. In the
basement the double ceiling should have been a tipoff (it will be NEXT time)
that something wicked was waiting behind (termite damage and wiring done by
a sixteen year old who didn't appear to have access to even the simplest "My
Home Wiring Basics" book. Wires wrapped with masking tape, grounds run as
neutrals, hot and neutral reverse on outlets, ground wires run off to places
unknown (and ungrounded!) and a host of grounded outlets without grounds or
GFI. When the walls came down in the basement, there was black mold and a
few collapsed cinderblocks and more evidence of old termite infestation.
I have its brother. $5,000+ from Computerland and an extra $655 for a
second full size single sided(!) floppy disk drive. I remember upgrading it
to a POS CMS 20Mb hard drive a few years later (and a new PS after the
original smoked). That's when I learned the value of making constant
backups both on schedule and whenever there's new software to be installed.
I only wish we would come as far with solar power as we did with PC's from
that era. Oh, and I ordered 64K of RAM instead of the standard 16K soldered
on to the motherboard. I think the improvements in clones that I
appreciated the most was case design. Early clones cases were works of
art - holes could be anywhere, tabs didn't mate, and every one of them would
slit you up good if you made a wrong move.
Oops. We as sellers want the market to recover before we sell; we as
buyers want the market to tank further before we buy. And round and round
it goes. Part of the rut is that a bizarre equilibrium is in effect.
People are all waiting for a "negative crash" - an event so profound it
signals true recovery. The problem is, that only downward crashes produce
those big "marker" events. I think two or three months of strong new homes
sales might be the few drops that turn the half empty glass into more than
half full, but it's like a cake - rises slowly but crashes quick if you slam
the oven door hard enough. Remember, a lot of this recession is fear based,
not reality based, and people eventually lose their fear despite economic
Oh, but . . . It's happening right next door. My neighbor feels she has to
take them in (kid, baby daddy and babies) but I can see it's killing her.
I've had the "tough love" talk with her, but they are her babies and always
will be and I could talk until I am hoarse - she's not going to toss them
out even if they hold parties when she's visiting sick relatives and her
kid's friends trash the joint and steal anything they can get away with.
Their version of Google "inner" earth. I think there's supposed to be a
floor plan on file for every place in the city. They have a pretty good
computer system for keeping tracking of the city's real estate because it's
their tax base. (-: I don't think the FD has a real time system to bring
up floor plans of buildings at fire scenes, but I'll bet they are working on
it. In the fatality case, they had violated some formula inspectors use to
figure out minimum floor space and emergency escape routes. What good is
having a fire escape if it's walled off and accessible only through a locked
Interesting. Wife is 100% a "cooking with gas" gal. I don't care - I've
used both and have a slight preference for gas cooking-wise and electric
safety wise. I've never heard of a house being leveled by an "electricity
explosion" but we have several spectacular gas explosions a year around
here. One recent explosion at a shopping mall was captured on CCTV cameras.
Gas can knock down a whole structure in seconds.
It's the psychological value, not the real value. I just hate the idea of
not being able to stretch the old one to the bitter end and leaving some
buyer with MY refrigerator, especially after I've "automated" it.
In that case, I'd suggest looking for used via the local free radio ads
call-in show, newspaper, etc., ... there are almost always well-working
units available very inexpensively even in this pretty small town from
moves, remodeling, upgrades, etc., ...
Or Freecycle. Whichever is locally better run. In my little neck, the
craigslist isnt well run but the Freecycle is. Just has to do with the
local moderator is all. I see Fridges (working) at least once a week.
Gawd, it's tempting, especially if I find someone who's willing to deliver
and haul the old one away for some extra $. But I remember working on the
refrigerator in the walkup I lived in. It was basically the Kingdom of the
Roaches. I am sure experienced appliance repair folks have seen it before.
Warm, dark, near food - a perfect roach mansion.
I am afraid I will be sticking with new units and looking for advice and
which have been the most trouble free for users.
Thanks for your input!
With those new paramaters..... I don't like the new GE with the
circuit board. Nor, Amana, which is also complicated. I've worked on a
couple LG, and they are also complicated.
Whirlpool, tends to be simple. I've heard good about Maytag, also.
No problem Bobby! Hey, here's one next idea. I have a local Maytag repair
place who also sells refubished units. They provide installation and haul
away for a fee (40$). I've gotten many things there over time and always
had good luck.
My current fridge is an Amana, bought new 10 years ago and still going
strong. The one before it was a whirlpool that came with the house (age
unknown, may have been 35 or more).
When buying a new gas oven a bit ago, I looked at the fridges just for ideas
on what they cost today and there were many small but decent models in the
400$ range at the local Lowes. If retired military, you also get a 10%
discount there. (I;m retired Navy, 26 years).
That's a good idea. I'll check Google to see if I've got such a place. My
wife's pretty adamant about not getting a refurb so I might either have to
fix what we have or go for a new one.
My Westinghouse is over 35 years old and I've kept it going, but now I think
it has a coolant leak and that's going to be hard for me to deal with with a
bum knee (well, two, but one's much worse than the other - my wife calls
them the bad knee and the very, very bad knee).
Ahoy, Chief! That's good to know. I was thinking of Lowes. I'll have
make sure to bring my ID.
While O6's and above would never admit it, the Navy only works because the
chiefs keep it running. What was your rating? E8? I have to admit, I had
a hard time keeping all the ratings and ranks in order, and just when I
thought I had it down, I got an exchange assignment where I had to learn
foreign ratings and ranks. Somewhere, tucked away in an attic carton, I
have my insignia flash cards.
In another thread (about BP) I mentioned how in the Navy, if a captain runs
his ship aground, he's out. While that sometimes is a bad thing (hard to
get people willing to command experimental craft like my dad designed) on
the whole, it makes the man at the top responsible for anything that goes
wrong and give him a great incentive to make sure nothing does. What's your
At the Pentagon I didn't get to talk to many enlisted personnel. You can't
spit without hitting an O5 or above. It was always great to watch a phone
colonel come in from afar for his first Pentagon assignment. They usually
come from a place where they were in total command and the biggest of the
big cheeses but at the Pentagon they found themselves getting coffee for the
full colonels and generals that littered the place. Or worse yet one of the
million Assistant Undersecretary of Some Arcane Field of Defense civilians
roaming the halls.
I have a great Bupers/New Orleans story that I probably shouldn't tell on
line. Let's just say that the Navy has its own way of doing things and they
were damned if they were going to change their systems to match the other
services even though it was so ordained by the SecDef himself. I'll bet you
have stories to tell. with 26 years in. And more stripes and stars than a
tiger getting loose at the Academy Awards.
Here's a joke about nasal radiators:
How do you know if there's a Navy pilot at your fourth of July picnic?
He'll tell you.
And another about Ensigns:
What's the difference between a roomful of puppies and a room full of
The puppies will stop whining eventually.
What's this got to do with refrigerators? (-:
I've got a buddy coming over and we're going to take one last look at
whether the old beast can be salvaged. It's gotten new gaskets, new
shelves, new fans, new door handle, door railing, and even added another
bulb and socket because it was dim inside and the wiring was already there
for it - on the deluxe models I assume.
I even cut a little hole in the freezer floor with a Dremel to see if the
coils had frozen over. That was the biggest issue with this box. A door
left ajar froze the coils. A plug in the drain line froze the coils, too.
I believe that the last time I defrosted the coils, I either cracked a
solder joint or put a pinhole leak in the coils. When it's working I can
feel/hear a lot more gurgling in the freezer coils than I used to.
But it's old with an old motor that's way less efficient than modern
compressor motors so there would be a payback in fixing it or finding
someone to recharge it and repair the leaks. Decisions, decisions. The
unit fails to keep up on hot days (we've gone green - or should I say
stinky) and turned off the central air, keeping only the bedroom cool with a
small window unit. So far, much cheaper - almost 1/4 the cost of the CAC,
but our central unit is an old, poorly installed inefficient SOB. It almost
works except for cooking. Even with a summer salad menu, it gets nasty. I
might have to put a second unit in the kitchen window for occasional use.
Thanks Nate. I watch the People's Court a lot because the judge Marilyn M.
comes from a contractor family and thus they have a lot of small claims
contractor related cases. My own sister is a judge - more like Judge Judy,
so it's a bit of an addiction because sis watches too, and it give us
something to talk about at holidays. Anyway, more and more cases are
starting out "I found the defendant on Craigslist."
As I noted in a previous message, my double hernia (with revisions!)
dictates I not wrangle refrigerators around, so I guess that means buying
new. I'd also be afraid of getting one that had roach eggs or worse in the
innards. The box I have now, which came with the house, had the coils
coated in strawberry jam which I only discovered when I took it apart after
a freezeup. In fact, it failed because I manhandled the coils during the
Thanks for your input!
Did I really right "New a new" - I mean write! God, senility is gaining on
Anyway, NEED a new - I should have indicated that NEW meant brand new and
not just new to me.
That's a good idea. I'm leaning towards new just because it's too easy to
inherit someone else's problem, which I definitely don't want to do) and
because the vendor will deliver the new and remove the old, saving me much
hassle. I'm too old and beat up to wrangle anything bigger than my head
around and I have the strangulated hernia scars to prove it. Double!
Thanks for your input! DPB - mind if I call you D?
Pet peeve, why do people like DPB not adopt a first name of some sort just
to make it easier to interact? It seems more and more the style. Maybe I
am just an old fogey . . . If "initial only" posters are not proactive
enough, they could get stuck like Piggy in the Lord of the Flies with a
first name they don't like at all!
D for . . . hmmmm (-:
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