Labor estimate to replace a Lennox HP Compressor

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Noon-Air writes:

No problem with you being in business or making a living. You sound like someone who must do well at it.
The problem is the men with guns ... excuse me, the government, deciding who gets to be in the biz and forbidding the public from dealing with anyone else. The only situations where the gummint "cares" about "protecting the consumer" is when there is money in it.
If the consumer needs government protection, then everything should be licensed.
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Here we have no licensing or code enforcement outside of the city limits and just in this county alone we lose at least 6 homes and or trailers and several lives each year due to fire because some hack or home-moaner decided they could do it them selves. The only reason we *don't* have manditory licensing and code enforcement state wide is because of the builders/realtors (more often as not they are one and the same) political pull and money. They know it will cut into their bottom line because they know they will have to get it done right instead of getting it done the cheapest by unlicensed hacks and raping the home buyer in the pocketbook.
Do a google on this group and see how many time a legitimate contractor has had to correct a dangerous situation that had the potential of causing the loss of life, limb and/or property. The stuff like that I see on almost a daily basis is really scarey.
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Thanks, you just made me blow Coke out of my nose. You owe me a nnnneeeewwww kkkkkkkkeeeeeyyyyybbbbbbooooaaarrrrddd.
Time and again it has been shown that even intelligent people can be at a loss in an area outside their expertise. Without being an expert in HVAC or some close-related engineering field, how is one qualified to judge whether the unlicensed "contractor" standing before him is competent to be entrusted with the potential bomb in the basement? As intrusive as I find the government system of licensing, inspections etc., it has its purpose. I'm not so much worried about blowing up my own house or whatever, because I am qualifed to do the work myself or to judge who can. However I'm damn glad that my clueless neighbor can't buy his own HVAC system or hire some complete nincompoop to do it for him. You see, I just don't want to come home and find the remnants of his house all over my property. This isn't about protecting the consumer, it's about protecting me from other "consumers."

Absolutely no benefit to society at large, nope, not a bit, no lives have ever been spared by restricting certain kinds of work to those qualified to do it, nuh uh, never, nada, nyet.

That has happened, or something like it as I understand, in the case of septic systems in some locales. People got tired of swimming in the neighbor's shit, complained to the lawmakers, and got the protection from the neighbor's incompetence they asked for.
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When Turtle says "hack" he's usually in the past meant a paid worker who does poor quality work.
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Well sport, just how much do you *think* we should charge??? Just how much am I supposed to charge to keep from going bankrupt so I can be there down the road when your heating and cooling system dies because it was never properly maintained, or you tried to have it repaired by the lowest bidder, or worse yet you tried to do it your self. With my *basic* company and personal expenses exceding $4,000 per month, figure $1,000/week *NET* so that means gross reciepts of over $2,500/week. Ok....now lets figure a 40 hour week with 4 calls per day (no you can't charge for travel time inbetween calls) with an average of 1 1/2 hours on each call.... that means an average of $125 per call..... this is a minimum bare bones just to be able to stay in business, keep a roof over my head, and food on my table. Now thanx to the greed of the oil companies, I have a $350/mo fuel bill for an S-10 truck, and in another couple of months I will have a heating bill that will go up 10 fold. Licenses, laws and code is there only because somebody did it wrong at the cost of loss of life, limb, and/or property.
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Steve, Did you forget to calculate the monthly cost (173.8 hrs) of employing a HVAC journeyman too.
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Noon-Air writes:

Whatever the [free] market will bear. Cost-plus is socialism.
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So...out in CA where guys get over $1500 to change out a compressor....its OK, since thats what the market will bear? How about the larger commercial stuff, where its close to $5000 to change out one?
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Right you are.
Now shut the f*ck up and go away before I come over there and sh*t down your neck.
If I do, I'll give half off on the labor charge.......
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Hey Dumb-Fuck, Fuck a license and EPA Certification! Either you go get your recovery-machine, your welding outfit, your vacuum pump and your micron-gauge along with a just couple of years of HVAC training & experience and do it yourself for less....... or STFU.....dumb-ass!
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Jabs writes:

Precisely my approach.
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And in Florida, you can pull your own Mechanical permits too...right? Wrong.
This is where Richard loses all understanding of things.
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bill writes:

You've got your economics terms upside down.
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Richard J Kinch wrote:

Then fix it your own damned self. Or better yet, price shop and deal with a cheap hack who'll end up costing you 3 times as much in the long run. Ignorant price shoppers. Sheeeeesh.
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Richard J Kinch wrote:

Then fix it your own damned self. Or better yet, price shop and deal with a cheap hack who'll end up costing you 3 times as much in the long run. Ignorant price shoppers. Sheeeeesh.
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When you get that foil hat off your head and wind up here in the real world, let us know.... On second thought - don't.

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Richard, You are a dumb-fuck. I'm not a manufacture's dealer (none of them will pay me to endorse them) however, I do warranty work all the time. The warranty work isn't really worth the time I spend on the warranty repair but the additional work that is created by the "new-customer" relationship pays off well.
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The compressors I've replaced have been on smaller units. Typically takes me about three hours. Can't comment on heat pumps, we don't have many of them in my part of the world.
I'd guess between 3 and 5 hours of work. Plus the trip out to your house, and maybe a trip to the wrecking yard to dispose the old compressor.
HVAC guys, well, the labor rates vary around the country.
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Stormin Moron, Only three hours? You must do shit work!
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This is Turtle.
He cuts down on vaccum time by using one of the Vaccum port on his Pinto one barrel carberator.
Don't discount this and laugh for i knew a turkey years ago who would do it. The engine would run ruff till it got to about 10 inches and leveled off. He had a hose come out by one of the head lights and tied off on a 62 Ford F-100 . High Tech in Action.
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