I have to disagree with you on this.
You are making is sound like you CANT get into the trade. You can. While
there is a set order, FOR A REASON, that you have to be properly trained,
its not impossible.
The EPA licence is not difficult. Not at all. I dont support union..you want
it...you can have it.
State licence shows competence in paperwork, basically. In order to get to
that level, you have to show time working in the trade, so that they can
feel confident when you get your gas fitters ticket, you wont do something
stupid like use garden hose for a gas line.
As far as pricing...no one tells me what I can or cant sell my equipment
for. I had one company that sent me a C+D letter one time, and I replied
back with an up yours....and never heard back from them again.
What I find amazing, is when I price out a system, as I just did, and will
go deliver the estimate package to the builder as soon as I send this reply
an check a couple of others, is that I normally get questioned about "Why
are you so much lower than XYZ?"
LOL...an the truth is, I am not lower, he is HIGHER.
I dont agree, and all it would take would be one week with a tech in a van
to see what we see out there to prove otherwise...
What we are for, is taking what we have now, and enforce the laws on the
books, not so much to the homeowner, but to the so called pros out there
that represent the licenced bunch we have now.
I do agree that as time goes on, the few that are entering the skilled
trades are NOT so skilled, and therefore, in order to present yourself as a
professional they need to show more experence, and the ability to do the
You claim our trade isnt rocket science, and you are right, altho its used
on the space shuttle and ISS.
Its more a matter of thermal and fluid dynamics, basic math, and physics,
and a good dose of common sense thrown in.
What I sell my units for, only the customer cares, and if the customer wants
to spend more on a Goodman..so be it. If they are that weak minded to
believe that a Goodman compares to a York, or a Trane...I dont want them on
my customer list anyway.
Well, good for you. I suppose you must have had alternative suppliers
available if they cut you off for discounting. But it illustrates my
point that the mfrs are
constantly pulling these price-maintenance stunts, mostly illegal
nowadays. Nothing remarkable that the HVAC biz does it.
Maybe you are old enough to remember the "fair trade" laws (which were
in truth the opposite of fair) up until the 1960s, made it *illegal* to
charge less than list price.
When I sold a very popular line of PCs in upstate New York in the early
1980s, they literally had an Italian mob guy (yes, named "Tony") that
came around and "leaned" on you if you were suspected of charging less
than list price. He wanted me to succeed and be wealthy selling these
high-tech products made in California, but not at a discount. These
kinds of "interpersonal skills" seem to be valuable in the "independent
manufacturer's representative" line of work. And you thought it was all
Dale Carnegie hail-fellow-well-met win-friends-and-influence-people
People I know in kitchen appliance retailing, farm implements sales,
garage door repair, etc., have similar stories.
Kinch , You must have missed Eco. 101 in Collage. it say the more money changes
hand the better the System works. If you sell everything at wholesale , there
would be nobody to bring it to you or work on it. The price difference between
Wholesale and retail is for the service people and dealers to ship it to you and
have a reason to offer it to you. Without this you will have to drive to
Columbia to get your coffee and to Louisiana to get your sugar for your coffee.
If you don't have the time. You will have to pay the mark up or retail price. I
know this sounds funny but it works.
Everything you say is true ... except I did take, literally, Econ 101.
Yes, retailing earns its markup.
What I object to is outfits that will sell quantity 1, but only to those
with certain qualifications that have nothing to do with the economics of
the transaction, in order to "protect" the trade.
Reminds me of the hair stuff sold only to "licensed beauticians".
Labor could be $60 - $80 /hr depending on where you live. Compressor or
condensing unit, the price you pay is double what the installer's company
pays. In fact, everything they use, fittings, copper, freon, is doubled
Figure 1 hr, without ANY other THAN LABOR.
This is Turtle.
You forgot one small thing. If the condenser unit or compressor burns up in 1
year or less. the servce man charging all this over charges is going to fix it
for nothing the next time during that 1 year warrenty period. If we screw up, we
have to pay for the repairs for the warrenty period .
A Brand new Chevy Silverodo King Cab fully loaded cost to the manufactor to
produce is about $6,800.00 . They sell for $28,000.00 to $35,000.00 and who's
getting this big bunch of cash for nothing by selling them. Now they sometimes
fix or replace them for 5 years or a 100k miles.
I'm sorry to tell you different but the amount of money that the Big 3 car
manufacturers in Detroit, Michigan
pays just for workman's compensation insurance alone to manufacture EACH car
or truck that comes off the assembly line
is about $6,000.
Nothing wrong with that. The do-it-yourself'er buys one at a time, you buy
'em by the truckload.
Of course I stocked up on a lifetime supply of R-12 in 1990, and R-22
later, when it was still cheap and legal. I'll bet you pay more today than
I did then, carrying costs included.
Kinch.........You never answered the question I asked a week ago.........
Just exactly what is it that you do??? how much are you overpaid?? what does
it cost you to pay for a roof over your head??? how much does it cost to
feed your family??? how much does it cost for your medical and dental
insurance?? how much do you pay in taxes?? how much does it cost to run and
maintain your vehicles??? how much less can you get paid and still survive??
inquiring minds want to know.
one more question to add to the mix.... How many hours a week do *you* work
before you demand to be paid overtime???
inquiring minds still want to know.
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating & A/C
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