This is not a newer car. 96 Plymouth Voyager, with factory radio. This
was their better option back then, some came with only an AM FM radio,
and I believe they could still get a cassette tape model too, so thi CD
model was top of the line back then. I dont think bluetooth even existed
at that time. It would be nice if it had come with an AUX jack though.
The CD player is nice compared to cassette, or just plain radio, but
changing CDs while driving is a pain, and keeping them in the car gets
messy. MP3 solves all of that. Rather than a CD with 10 or 20 songs, a
MP3 player can have hundreds of songs, and in a much smaller package.
Also, the car CD player is real touchy. It will ERROR out or "skip" on a
CD that has one tiny scratch or dirt. That same CD plays fine in my home
CD player or the one on my computers.
Can your CD player play MP3's burned to a standard data CD? I know some can
which would allow you to fit close to 100 songs or more on a single CD
(depending on the MP3 bitrate).
Otherwise, have you considered getting a new stereo for your car? There are
adapters for most cars that let you replace a factory radio with a standard
DIN style stereo. I used a Scoche adapter plate to put a standard AM/FM/CD
with USB port in my daughters old Taurus.
Hmm... I didn't consider that. My oldest MP3's are from 2007, so you're
You're probably looking at a new stereo.
Or, connect your smart phone/MP3 player to a portable speaker in the car.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 05:20:25 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
I still think the best MP3 player anywhere is a PC running DOS and
MPXPLAY. (what I ran in my cars from 1999 to a couple years ago).The
problem is the last machine I had that will suffer the heat of a car
in the summer is socket 7 board based and finding a good one is pretty
hard to do. I have given up on PC based car players.
MPXPLAY allows selecting songs by number from a numeric pad and I
still have not seen that from any other player, stand alone or PC
based. You can run a 10 key without taking your eyes off the road. Try
that with a factory MP3 player.
Set up with fast boot in the BIOS, running DOS and it will go from
"key on" to music faster that any dash mounted player I have seen.
There is a W/XP version and that is the player in the house.
I have a 2006 Scion Xb. The CD player also does MP3s.
Physically, the CD can hold upward of 700 MP3 tracks at the default bit rate.
Unfortunately, the CD player must have an 8Bit CPU poorly programmed,
because the player only recognizes the first 255 tracks on the CD.
Still, 250 tracks per CD is quite a lot and I no longer suffer through
I'm surprised at the number of high end cars I've been in that
can't handle data CDs (MP3s). Congrats to Toyota for the player
in the Scion. The car also has IPOD and AUX ports but the MP3
CDs do the job just fine.
That would be either a very, very low bit rate or very very short MP3s.
At 128 kbps an MP3 will require a bit more than 1/12 the space it would if
not compressed; i.e, if a fully filled 700 MB CD has 10 tracks, and if
tracks of the same lengths were compressed to MP3 at 128 kbps, a 700 MB CD
would hold 110-120 MP3s.
Personally, I find 128 kbps acceptable - many do not - but I wouldn't want
to go much lower.
All this talk led me to examine the CDs I've been creating.
Looks like I've been creating Monaural CDs without knowing it.
Maybe that explains why I'm getting 250+ tracks per CD:
Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 64 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Monaural
You are certainly free to do use whatever bit rate you want but 192 is WAY
overkill for voice. For music, it depends on several factors...
a) what encoder is used and how
b) what equipment you are using. High end ear phones or tinny built in PC
c) how you are listening. That is, are you listening intently while you sip
a nice single malt scotch or are you listening in a noisy environment - like
a car - or elsewhere while you are doing something else. If the former you
might like FLAC or similar better than 192.
These days I use 320kbps for everything, as the difference in file sizes is
only a few MB and that's insignificant these days.
Many years ago I was tasked with encoding sermon's for a church. I used the
True Speech codec which could encode an hour speech to a very small file
size. Not so good for music, but it worked great for speech.
Of course, I recently looked at the website for that church and they now
use MP4 video files at hundreds of MB each. :) Times change.
Many of my older MP3's are encoded at 128 kbps, but I can definitely hear
the quality difference compared to 256 kbps or 320 kbps MP3's.
Storage space isn't much of an issue anymore, so I use 320 kbps for
A 7MB MP3 is nothing compared to a 50GB video file. :)
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:31:45 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
Yea, a new stereo is something I have considered.
What does "DIN" mean?
One reason I try to avoid replacing the factory stereos, is because they
wont fit the faceplate hole, dont mount to the same screw holes, and
require a dozen or more wires to be traced and spliced. -OR- an
expensive wiring adaptor, and that still dont eliminate the faceplate
and mounting screw issues.
On top of that, will the new one have a clock? My factory one does, and
I nearly demand a clock in my vehicles.
Back in the 70's I installed a lot of aftermarket stereos. But back
then, it was usually 7 wires.
POS - GND - Left Spkr + & - Right spkr + & - and one wire for a light.
And back then, if they did not fit in the dash where the factory radio
went, they had brackets to mount under the dash. (Back then there was a
lot of room under the dash). And in those older cars, the clock was
usually NOT part of the radio.
Another thing is that they often lower the value of the car for resale,
if the dash is hacked up to make the thing fit.
However, in this case, if I can find something that will at least mount
properly and not leave a hole in the dash, or require hacking/cutting
the dash, I would not mind changing it as long as it also has a clock.
The reason I'd do it, is mostly because this radio has extremely poor FM
reception. I googled this, and found this was a common problem on this
vehicle. It's not the antenna or antenna connections either. I did
remove the stereo to make sure the antenna was properly connected and
plugged in another antenna to make sure the antenna itself was not at
fault. The google results said that the front end circuitry for FM was
known to fail. (and mine apparently has). I am lucky if I can get the
local FM station, and that is the only one I get.
I really dont much care about the radio though. I find radio these days
to be lousy, mostly commercials, repeated 10 songs, and the station
drift when I travel makes me quickly turn the radio off.
So, just having a CD player is a big PLUS. All my older cars had radio
only, or a cassette player, and casettes were always troublesome, and no
one even uses them anymore. Of course it seems that most stores no
longer sell CDs either. But since I like oldies music, I find lots of
CDs at resale stores and rummage sales for a buck or less. So, this CD
player is a big improvement over anything else I had in former vehicles.
But keeping the CDs in the car seems to be messy, since there is no
place to store them. I finally bought a rubbermaid tub for them, but it
stays in the rear seat area, so I end up listening to the same CD over
and over, until I stop driving.... Yet, this is still better than the
crap on the radio !!!!
On 09/24/2016 11:59 AM, email@example.com wrote:
I don't know all of it, but I think the D is Deutsche (German).
My father listened to classical music a lot, and one of the things I
heard a lot was "Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft" (German Record Company).
92 days until the winter celebration (Sunday December 25, 2016 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).
- there are single din, half din, 1 1/2 din and double din devices.
The standard is set by Deutsches Institut für Normung e.V. (German
Institute for Standardization).
Din standard connectors are generally round multi-pin connectors like
the old keyboard plugs
I remember seeing "DIN" used on old microphone jacks/plugs many years
ago, but never knew what it meant. I just accepted it as the name for
that plug type. I think the old round keyboard plugs were of a similar
size (and even appearance). But I never knew the face plate size of car
radios was also using "DIN" for it's size.
But now, I'm left with one huge question. What are the actual sizes of a
FULL DIN (ONE DIN), one and a half DIN, Two DIN, and so on?????
Without running out to the car with a tape measure, I will make a guess
that the face of my factory radio is 'about' 2 inches in height, and 6
inches wide..... And since I had it out of the dash recently, I know
that the depth is important, bcause there is no spare room in back.
This is where it all gets confusing. How to know what will fit and what
wont. This pretty much eliminates buying a stereo on Ebay or Amazon or
Craigslist, since I will need to touch it, measure it, and so on. Then,
once I buy it, I'll have to go to a store or go online to order the
faceplate adaptor and wiring adaptor.
I have not shopped around much, but I see Walmart has some car stereos,
and they are pricy. Add in the cost of the faceplates and wiring
adaptors and this might end up costing $200 or more.... I dont really
think I want to spend that kind of money on a 20 year old vehicle, just
for a radio/stereo. I do plan to keep this car for awhile, and it's in
very good condition for its age, but plans change as things break,
and/or accidents occur, etc.... I know the stereo can be moved to
another vehicle, but that means buying another wiring aadaptor.
faceplate, etc.... The last time I saw those wiring adptors, they were
upward around $50.
In the past, I'd toss a Boombox on my seat, toss in a cassette and have
music that was also portable. Although those batteries did get costly. I
wonder what portable devices they have now, and I do have an auto 12vdc
to 120Vac inverter. I'm sure they make something like that which costs
much less than $200.
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