On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:23:54 PM UTC-7, Danny D. wrote:
“the plumbing is pressed fitting to fitting, with 7 Jandy
valves all pressed together, within a foot with nary a pipe in between”
That is exactly the difference between a technician and a contractor. A con
tractor only cares about you until he gets paid, a technician makes sure he
doesn’t have to come back and re-do the what he just did because he’s
employed to maintain the equipment of the company and he wants to get paid
the next pay day as well as the one after that.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:23:54 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
I'm pretty sure they are threaded. I had pretty much the same problem
with the one that comes out the top. From what I can see in your
pictures you should be able to unbolt the four bolts that hold the
basket part to the pump part and then just unscrew the basket part
from the pipe. You won't be able to do anything to the male end of
the pipe but you can put some non-hardening sealer on the female screw
threads (perhaps permatex #2) in the basket and put it back together.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:06:04 -0700 Ashton Crusher wrote:
I hope to get to this on the weekend, after I buy the boring tool.
Thanks for the advice.
Pretty much, I'm positive on all but the Jandy valve problem:
- Move both pumps back about a foot & put unions on both ends
- Wire the electrical to a junction box & rewire the ground
- Jandy valves (I hope to go outside but may have to bore the inside)
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 02:12:13 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
I'd think lead shields and brass or stainless screws/bolts would be a
better idea. You can epoxy the shields in place, if needed. I don't
think I'd want something sticking up from the concrete if you pull the
pump. It looks like that's what you have, though.
Interesting. Thanks for that advice.
I had not even considered bolts down versus studs up.
I'm not sure if there is a difference, other than, as you noted,
the bolts would be removed to leaven nothing if the pumps were
If stainless-steel bolts down is better than stainless steel
threaded rod up, then I can do that.
What's there is definitely not stainless, as it's all rusted,
so, I would think the availability of stainless at the box stores
would limit my choice anyway.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:12:44 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
THe box stores here have a fairly decent selection of stainless,
though pick your shields and hole depth, etc., based on what you can
buy. You can also buy stainless fasteners online. I generally do
since it's significantly cheaper.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 02:12:13 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
You don't need to bolt them down, the pipes will have no trouble
keeping everything in place and the lack of bolts will allow things to
move as the slab settles. My pump system is similar to yours, 25
years old, and neither of the pumps was bolted down.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 01:24:18 -0700 Ashton Crusher wrote:
If that's the case, then that will be easier because I then
have more time to find the threaded rod and masonry bits,
which means it's not the limiting factor.
My limiting factor now is the availability of the boring
tool. Hopefully I'll make progress this weekend to report
back on Monday.
My original pad was a 2'x3' precast solid concrete about 3" thick with
and "X" of rebar plus a couple more pieces of rebar along the outer
long edges. Water slowly getting in caused the rebar to corrode and
that caused the concrete to crack and basically disintegrate over the
last 5 years. I finally got around to replacing it and called the
local pool supply to see if they had such pads. They said they did.
Went down expecting to need help loading one into the truck. Turned
out they are now mostly using Styrofoam with a sprayed on shotcrete on
the top and sides, but not the bottom. Can pick it up easily. I'm
dubious about it's long term durability but went ahead and used it.
Seems to me it's going to distort from the uneven loads the different
parts of the pool equipment put on it.
After looking in vain at all the big box stores today, I think
I really should strongly consider one of those fittings above
(but I'm not sure which one is the one I need).
In addition to not finding the special fittings, I also
could not find the special 2" boring tools at the big box
I did pick up a few of all the standard 2 inch couplings
and elbows and pipe though:
And, I bought this tool for cutting 2" PVC pipe:
And, since I couldn't find the 2-inch boring tool at the box stores,
I made this 2" pipe thread tap:
I plan on moving both pumps back, but first, to line up my ducks,
I may need to buy this 2" boring tool:
And/or this special fitting to go OVER the Jandy valve outlet:
Or, that special 2-inch fitting extender to go INSIDE the Jandy
valve outlet (which already has a 2" pipe glued to it):
In addition, today, at Home Depot, the guy helping me cut down a
2" nipple and then I sawed two crosscuts to make a crude 2" tap,
just in case I end up screwing a coupling into the Jandy valve:
I wouldn't expect them to have special tools like that. Did you try
a plumbing supply?
That's nice to have and easier to use, but if you want to
save a few bucks for small jobs like this a hacksaw and
file can be used.
I have no idea what you intend to do with that.
The first thing you need to figure out is IF the Jandy valve
is designed for a pipe to go over it. Have you pulled up a data
sheet? Or cut it apart and find out if a standard PVC fitting
is sized to go over it. Real simple, either the outside of that
is designed and sized to mate with a PVC pipe of a std size or it's
At least some pool valves are designed that way.
I don't even understand what I'm looking at in those pics. First
to what you say above, the first link clearly says it's designed to go
a 2" fitting, not inside it. But if you look at the pic, from the
sizes and what is there, it sure looks like it goes inside. If it
inside, then what good is it? You could just use pipe.
The second link is to a fitting that goes OVER the 2" pipe. I don't
why you'd need that because if the valve will take a pipe or fitting
then you can find the appropriate pipe/fittings at HD, Lowes, etc.
If you have a special fitting that really goes inside a 2" PIPE, then
I see how THAT could be used to go inside the pipe that's left
glued inside the Jandy valve.
The valve is a female glued fitting. That is why you were looking for
the special boring tool. I don't know why you're wasting time off in
No matter how many plumbing or irrigation supply places I visited
in San Jose today, I couldn't find this simple 2.5" to 2" reducer:
So I picked up a standard 2.5" coupling + a bushing:
And I cut the 90 degree elbows off the Jandy valve:
The 2.5" coupler and bushing should fit perfectly:
I think I'll move the motor back and to the right a bit:
I put the pump in a vise and easily spun off the inlet fitting:
I'm not sure if the new bushing takes pipe dope or not?
I think I bought the wrong electrical box, because the 1"-to-1/2"
elbow was connected to a one-inch conduit but I seem to have
bought a 3/4" conduit box.
Tomorrow I should wire it up - but I'm confused about the following:
Q1: Do we use pipe dope on the pump threads? (What kind?)
Q2: What gauge do you think the electrical wire is?
Q3: If I buy a 1" box, can I hook both pumps to the same box?
(i.e., two conduits in, and two conduits out, each a separate line)
Q4: How do we tie the lines together at the box (wire nuts)?
Note: I've never done 220V wiring before.
I'd use teflon tape on the threads. That's what I always use,
but I think pipe dope is OK too.
You can use 12 gauge. The wire coming out of the motor is
probably smaller than that. The pump only draws about 8
I don't know what you mean by 1" box? One that has 1" knockouts?
In any case, you can put all the wiring in one box, provided it's of
sufficient size for the number and size of conductors you're using.
The box you have looks large enough.
If it were me, as I said before, I would forget about the added splice
box and just replace the short lengths of liquidtight conduit and wire
back to the timer box with new runs. IMO, it's easier, faster, looks
better, etc. You said the splices would make the motors easier
to remove in the future, but I don't see why. Those existing wires
came right off the pump motor, didn't they?
Good to see the project is going well and you didn't find any
Thanks Oren for looking that up.
I'll see if I can get that at Home Depot this morning.
Here's what I have in stock, at the moment:
I added that white silicone glue to the pic mix after calling
Sky Blue Pools who said that they use "Plumbers Silicone Sealant"
at about $7 per tube; and after calling Ernie's Pool Supply,
who said they had two kinds, "Join Stick" and "White Silicone".
If their white silicone is the same as mine in that photo
above, I probably have enough. But I'll look at HD today for
the Tru-Blu because it seems to be the right stuff from your
description (plus, you know huckleberries!).
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 05:53:37 -0700 firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The entire setup is problematic and verrrrrry frustrating!
Half the time I can't even get to the wires inside the
motor simply because the covers are frozen rusted on!
Here you see my last 3 (failed) attempts at removing the cover!
The other half the time, the cover comes off, but that
super frustrating 90 degree 1" to 1/2" elbow requires you to
spin the entire motor just to get the darn thing off!
I'm running off to Home Depot now ... does this look like a
decent supply list for the electrical connections?
A. 3 feet of ½" conduit <== currently it's all 1" conduit
B. A straight ½" to ½" fitting <== currently it's a ½ to 3/4"
C. 3 feet of 12 AWG stranded copper wire (black, red, and green)
D. A double-wide junction box with ½" holes (mine has 3/4 inch holes)
E. Wire nuts for 23AWG stranded wire (mine are stranded of unknown AWG)
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