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Then it was named incorrectly. Should have been alt.hvac.professional
USENET newsgroups are available to all at no cost. There is no distinctions aside from a few nasty members that jump on homeowners when they enter. There is no sign posted on the gate, just a couple of mean bull dogs that attack when a stranger enters. I'm sure many of the participants on HVAC are genuine nice people, but there is also the largest concentration of bozos on the internet that are trying to tear down the reputation of anyone in the profession.
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I lurked there for a while to get the flavor before posting a legitimate query. I decided that if some of these assholes were representative of HVAC "professionals," who look with such distain on the general public then maybe I need an amateur instead to install my new heat pump.
Some of them remind me of a former coworker, who had a Ph.D. I'm a retired EE and I swear it seemed like every time I had a conversation with this guy somewhere in the discussion he would say, "When I was working on my thesis….."
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No. You should start one called alt.hvac.DIY.HO's.trolls or use alt.home.repair

They get referred to alt.home.repair. When they can't grasp that they get dipped in flour.

I figure you are referring to weasel? Exposing hacks and their methods while un-pleasent is necessary. We do let them run fairly unmolested in alt.home.repair
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See, there's the condescending attitude. Don't worry, you'll be out of busiuness with that attitude. Maybe you can go work at the DMV then. Hopefully all you "professional assholes" are out of work and the best you can do is make minimum wage digging ditches.

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Dude you are pretty thick in the head. You and the rest of the people on usenet are not customers. You aren't paying for shit. We aren't soliciting you for anything. It's an HVAC discussion group. Not help the homeowner with his problem group. Your opinion doesn't count. Or what you want alt.hvac to be. Grow up and get over it. I suspect though that you'd rather bitch and moan about it.
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No, it's really a "berate anyone who isn't one of us" kind of group. Shows the maturity, or lack of maturity, of hvac "specialists". Are you professionals? No, since you sure don't act that way. But you can be a professional ditch digger.

Your's doesn't.

I can't do it any better than you Bill.

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:13:19 GMT, "FDR"

For the most part, they are quite experienced, but quite a few of them are grumpy old men, or at least middle-aged codgers, jaded with the relentless advance of modern-day competition consisting mainly of students, teachers, wannabe's and has-beens. :-)
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papaya wrote:

Which group? You crossposted to two groups.
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[snipped lame diatribe]
Oooooh, watch out! You blow too much hot air with your canned answers, and Paul will run you through the mill again!
(Methinks I just invented a new cat's phrase.)
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