But I don't think Trader is really curious, as much as he just wants to
catch me in a lie, like SaltyAss, Ricodjour, Shitty Two, and their ilk.
Again, for the slow, my near-30c rate is not an explicit, published rate --
the published rate is 9c.
But the *real* rate I wind up paying, when I divide the $$ that I mail in by
the kWhr that I got, is near 30c.
It's good to hear that not everyone is f'd ita like this. But CA, NY, and a
bunch of others are.
I suspect everyone's turn will come, tho. After all, what corp. concern can
resist the easy fleecing of millions of sheeple? What CongressShill has
the balls to fight it? If balls is even an issue -- corruption is the
Free Money, Free Money!!!
It's OK. Help is on the way. Last night I heard Obama say he wants
more nuclear power plants built. Oh, wait a minute. His actual
words were "a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants."
Doh! Looks like you're still f**d, because we know there will never
be one that's clean enough or safe enough for him or the environmental
extremists. That's change you can believe in.
Well, we're going to know pretty soon. There are 20-something 
applications for new licenses on file w/ NRC currently. When the formal
hearings begin we'll find out where the C sequestration people are in
terms of whether want to accomplish something or simply be obstructionists.
 www.nrc.gov has links to actual filings/numbers; I haven't looked at
precise numbers for a while
At best all of the above perhaps explains why we pay more for the
generation portion of our electric bill (12.4 cents/kWh). And I
understand why burning natural gas or oil which is supposedly the main
fuel here in New England would be more expensive than coal burnt in the
Midwest and certainly more expensive than Hydro from the Pacific
However, why do we pay 7.6 cents/kWh for transmission which is *more*
than the total cost of 6-7 cents that other users here claim to be
If anything in a regulated monopoly, our transmission costs should be
*lower* than other parts of the country since our lines were built a
long time ago and presumably have already recouped their cost of
capital. Also, with low population growth here, there is not a
requirement for huge new investments in expansion.
I think the real problem here is government regulation and corruption
which accomplishes the threefold evil of keeping prices artificially
high and discouraging competition, and preventing investment in new
technologies or cheaper sources of power...
You pay more for transmission in the frozen northeast because:
1. The heavily forested states cost a lot more for tree trimming around
the power lines.
2. The ice storms and falling branches cost a lot more to repair the
Old decrepit infrastructure costs more to repair and maintain, as well
as costing more for rebuilding as sections become overloaded or
otherwise unserviceable. Look at how often you see crews replacing mile
of poles and stringing new lines, often with taller poles and double
circuits to meet the increasing power demands.
Government regulation is certainly part of the problem, but it is
typically keeping prices artificially low and discouraging system
upgrades. Look at how CA got into their power mess with their mock
"deregulation", where they deregulated the wholesale end but kept the
retail end regulated and capped and caused companies pull back rather
than absorb losses so the politicians could buy votes.
Except I don't think the retail end WAS regulated -- effing consumers were
clobbered, iiuc, and NOW they are STILL paying 30c+ , in a tier system that
very quickly reaches that 30c rate, or more.
Heh, and you heard that the supremes struck down limitations on corporate
You think it was bad then, or now.... you ain't seen nuthin yet. Orwell
No, the CA scam was indeed to deregulate the wholesale end while still
keeping the retail end regulated and rate capped. When the wholesale
power market prices exceeded the capped retail price, CAs mock
"deregulation" scam unraveled since the utilities were not about to sell
the power at retail for less than they had to pay for it wholesale. The
exact reasons for the wholesale price increase aren't really relevant
since it was only a matter of time until CAs house of cards collapsed.
CA is in a similar situation with their welfare state. The high CA
taxes, combined with overall economy issues has hastened the exodus of
productive working taxpayers from CA, leaving fewer and fewer productive
workers to pay the high taxes to support the welfare state for all the
non productive workers. The same economy issues have also led to the
loss of a lot of low end jobs, meaning more on CAs welfare rolls. Some
of those low end workers are leaving CA, but most don't have that
mobility, so they remain a drain on CAs remaining taxpayers.
I live in Eastern MA - I wouldn't say we were heavily
forrested. Certainly much less forrested than Pacific Northwest where
the total power cost is less than 7 cents/kwh.
Much less ice than Quebec where total cost is also less than our
The big cost is in installing new high tension lines. Replacing the
occassional pole or transformer pales in comparison. And we are not
doing much of either around here. You rarely see power crews out doing
much of anything.
Not true here in Northeast. Environmental regulation and political hacks
keep costs high. For example, we have dumb laws requiring at least one
official policeman directing traffic at every single roadside job site.
I lived in CT for 34 years and still have property there. I spent plenty
of time with my chain saw cleaning up after the various ice storms over
the years. Eastern MA may be less forested than western MA, but it still
gets hit with ice storms which tear down lines.
Their power is damned near free from Hydro-Quebec. Comparing rate
structures in other countries also tends to be deceptive based on how
things are structured.
Building new transmission lines to support growing demand is a huge
expense as is building generation facilities to provide the power.
I think you may not be paying attention to what is being done, since in
my 34 years in CT I saw hundreds of miles of complete street level
distribution replacement. In most cases it was old single circuit runs
being replaced with new taller poles and double circuits in heavier
gauge was well, probably ~4X the previous capacity on the primaries. I
also so the secondaries replaced with much heavier ones and the
transformer count roughly doubled.
Yep, those are some of the biggest costs. Here in TX we have far less
headaches with that nonsense and better rates as a result. We also have
a hefty percentage of the countries wind generation here.
Strange that nobody considered the COST of the machine. Suppose you
buy a dryer for $500 which includes installation costs and it lasts 15
years. During its lifetime, it dried 2000 loads of clothes, making
the average cost of the load (based on the washer's initial cost)
500/2000 = 25 cents a load. You have to add the depreciated cost to
the energy consumed, unless you got a free dryer.
I don't understand the need to have matching washer and dryer. These
appliances are typically hidden behind doors, garage, or
utility/laundry room. A "matching set" does nothing else than
increase appliance dealer profit. I can't recall ever having a
"matching set," let alone the same brand.
Totally agree. We are are 'on' our second dryer (which 'cost' a dozen
beer) in 40+ years.
Our second, second hand washer (repaired with the drum/tub from
another some five/six years ago) must be 20+ years old now. The
cooking stove; can't remember but IIRC it's the third 'free' one we
The used dishwasher was a simple fix, one component! Hated to throw
out the old one, which still worked but this one does wash better and
Neighbour is planning to change out her microwave; I'll be tempted,
although we have a couple of spares around now. Thre is a plenitude of
free and cheap appliances and other items! Sometimes needing the
occasional repair but most of them are pretty simple devices. And
stick to white.
PS. Haven't had to 'accept' yet any of those stoves with digital
display oven timers/thermostats .............. so keeping a couple of
the older style thermostats around just in case! haven't 'bought' an
appliance for the last 20 years or so.
One of thesed days probably be faced with multiple replacements!
OK, here's a good mystery. My stove/oven has a digital clock with a
digital timer. The timer justs beeps, it can't be set to turn off the
oven. Anyway here is the really weird part. The digital clock TICKS!
Sixty ticks/minute! One of these days I'm going to have to open it up
just to see it. It is LED display and I certainly don't think it has a
mechanical timer running a digital display, so I'm guessing they put a
tiny pizo or speaker hooked up to a "tick" circuit. Maybe some old
timers didn't like it if they couldn't hear it tick? I've shown it to a
few people and they started looking around for where I hid the wind up
ticking timer. :-) No. No wind up ticker, a digital ticker.
re: "The digital clock TICKS!"
I often run the clock/scoreboard controller for the basketball games
at our schools.
It too has a LCD display yet you can hear it ticking inside the unit.
On top of that, when it drops below one minute and the 10ths of the
seconds show up, the ticking increasing 10 fold!
About a quarter is what I calculated a few years ago. My time to hang
and remove clothes from a clothes line is worth more than a quarter,
I'll stick with the dryer. The re-wash after the occasional bird crap
incident or being blown off the line in a wind gust also negates any
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