On Tue, 27 May 2014 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
A silverware basket in the door sounds like just about the stupidest
place for it; I'm sure there are reasons, but having everything
clatter around and fall as you open the door would be annoying, and it
can't possibly get them as clean as on the rack.
To second another suggestion; I'm pretty happy with our 12-year-old
Frigidaire Gallery dishwasher -- it's a higher end model with a
display showing the time remaining, which is GREAT, a feature I'd
never live without again.
I've never known a dishwasher that gets everything bone dry before
it's opened -- perhaps we just never had a good one when I was growing
up (we did have LOUD ones!), or perhaps it's the type of dishes
(dishes/cups with concave recesses when they're on the rack, and
plasticware are the most likely to have water in them). I don't
bother with the "power dry" at all; when I'm around I just pop the
door all the way open right after the last rinse (this is where the
time remaining is a huge benefit), pull out the racks and shake out
the things that have standing water. If the dishes are hot when I do
that, 15-30 minutes later everything's dry enough to put away. If I
do it the next day when it's cold, it can take hours for them to dry.
There are other philosophies (leave it closed, open it shake and
re-close, etc), but for me opening it all the way up and letting the
hot dishes evaporate into the relatively dry house works best.
This dishwasher takes ~90 minutes, and is reasonably quiet (can tell
that it's running in the same room, but not in the next). I wouldn't
trade it for those rumored 2-4 hour cycles some of the new ones take.
I don't need "pin-drop silent". So glad we've moved beyond the 1980s
Maytag "Rhuga Rhuga Rhuga" era that made us turn the TV up 2 rooms
Looks like you won't have a choice next time around. I'm not sure why
it would have to take so long to save energy.
99% of the time it does not matter. We usually start it after dinner or
before going to bed so it has many hours to do the job.
New DW we got is like at 47db sound level when running. Only thing it is
running is indicated by light marked "active" The amount of water it
uses is so little it's hard to believe it does the job. Is that
Frigidaire DW energy star qualified one?
I think Ed is correct. Quality has gone pretty much right down the
We we redid our kitchen last summer we purchased a Kitchen Aide and
again, like Ed mentioned, it works great. Lots better than the
Kenmore Elite that it replaced. But I had to pay 3+ times what the
others cost. But it was most likely the last kitchen upgrade I'll
Really speaking of build quality of any thing, wife dropped her laptop
ending up with broken hinge on one side, B4 it quits altogether I went
out to try new laptops. Every one of them felt so flimsy I ended up
buying 4 year NOS Toshiba which is built like tank. Any one watched
Panasonic Tough Book and Motorola's equivalent one going through all
kinds of abuse? First driving a car over them, pouring water, sand, heat
them up under direct sun light. Lastly they blew them up with TNT
sticks. Still they remained in one piece but dead. Motorola one fared
better there. My field work laptop is Durabook semi-rugged mil-spec.
one. I can drop it or bang them around without any problems.
dw. As I previously said, this wp cleans better than any of the KA that
we had in the past 40 years. We are using the all-in-one Finish Power
Ball (sounds like a lottery game). Without rinse agent everything dried
well, except for the depressions on the bottoms of glasses, etc.
Plastic was always wet. After the 1st load using the rinse agent, my
wife said this is much, much better. The only places where water
remained was in the cover groves and in the back side of the plastic
rolled over edges. BTW, after the cycle, I opened the dw to let it
completely cool. So, yes, it is a great improvement. Will it give you
cancer in 50 years .... I don't know.
On Thu, 29 May 2014 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
Rinse aid is just a chemical that lowers the surface tension of the
water so that instead of forming drops of water that stay on the
dishes and silverware it "sheets" off. Think of it like the
difference between a waxed car where the water just runs off versus an
unwaxed car where the water just beads up and sits there. The problem
with rinse aid in the costco detergent is that even though it may have
it in it, it still pretty much all gets rinsed off in the rinse cycle.
The rinse aid that you put in the rinse aid dispenser gets dispensed
in each of the cycles including the rinse cycle so it's bound to work
better then in the detergent.
As far are brands, I've had a lot of different brands over the years
and have been happiest with the Whirlpools. Had a Maytag that was
terrible, had a couple frididares that were so so, had a GE that
cleaned well but left black spots on everything from the inside of the
hoses deteriorating, now I always buy Kenmore, which are usually, but
not always, made by Whirlpool. My current Kenmore is around 14 years
old and cleans very well. Racks are starting to rust though. My
sister likes high end crap and she's got Bosch or some overpriced
brand that's all metal. Doesn't clean well and doesn't dry well and
the rack are poorly designed and difficult to load. And it beeps
forever when the cycle is done until you open the door. Big pain in
the ass if you start a load and go to bed. All night long you hear it
beeping if you are sleeping in her guest room. I much prefer my
On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:05:41 PM UTC-7, Ashton Crusher wrote:
Tx - makes sense.
Now I have to look for a source to get large bottles of rin$e agent - the small bottles are very expensive.
Costco said they don't carry rin$e agent. Anybody know of a store that sells big bottles?
On-line I found 32 oz. Jet Dry for $19.00 and $15.00 free shipping. Is that an OK brand?
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