Corner mounting a panning security cam

Hi everyone,
Just got a new IR pan-tilt-zoom camera for the backyard that looks something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321501327847
I'd like to mount it on the corner of the house (brick) so that it can "see" along the rear wall and the side wall. With a standard wall mount placed on the center of a wall you only get to see along a 180 degree arc but by locating at the corner, you can see 270 degrees.
The problem is that the only mounts I can find are preposterously expensive and consist of only a bent and pre-drilled sheet of stainless (I hope) steel:
http://www.securitycameraworld.com/accessories/BSD-Corner-W.asp
Anyway, I thought I would consult the home repair "brain trust" to see if anyone had any cheaper ideas 'cause I ain't spending more than half of what I paid for the camera (under $200 from Hong Kong via Ebay) for no stinkin' bent piece of SS. I will be going to Home Depot later today to see if they have any outdoor lamp brackets I can repurpose.
I've been thinking I can make something serviceable out of plywood and some angle iron I have in the scrap bin and paint it a brick color so it wouldn't stand out too much. But I thought I'd check with youse guys first. :-)
SH
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:08:53 -0400, "Sherlock.Homes"

Buy some heavy aluminum strap or angle material from the hardware store and bend/drill it yourself.
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Hi, Have you tried it out indoor first? If you got a generic no name camera, be aware tech support on it is near none. Try it first B4 you mount it. I have some experience with these cameras running 3 of them 7/24 wireless connected to surveillance station on my Synology NAS. Good luck.
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On 9/15/2014 9:06 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:

What's the secret to doing that? When I tried it, all I ever got was the reflection of the IR light source off the window.
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mike wrote:

Hi, Sounds like cheap camera you tried. Good cameras can see thru window glass. IR filtering and auto iris control will eliminate that.
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Hi, I am sure you checked out every thing with the camera indoor B4 mounting it outside. Firmware upgrade and all. If it is generic no name camera tech support may not exist.
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Sadly I don't have the wide mouthed vise I'd need to do that sort of work and make it look passable enough to hang on the wall. That Amazon Prime 1-click shopping is seductive. If I needed more than one, I'd get the equipment from Harbor Freight but for a one-off, I am quite happy with what CRNG found for me.
Although I have been frugal all my life, my ingrate kids will be surprised to find I am now quite willing to leave them all my old socks and nothing more. I figure if you die with money in the bank, you did something wrong. :-) $35 for a bracket? No sweat!
Thanks again, CRNG, it will be here on Wednesday and the camera should be fully tested and ready to mount by the weekend. There were a number of other likely candidates, but the reviewers complained that the unit you found was way too big and robust - but that's exactly what I wanted!!! The camera weighs in at 15 to 20 pounds. I am afraid it might even pull away from the bricks so I am going to drill two more mounting holes on the side just to be sure. Six of those blue plastic coated anchors whose name I always forget ought to do it.
This will help keep the neighbor's kids where they belong and not climbing my fence and into my trees to retrieve their lost soccer balls. What was it that Dufas used to joke about? "Hey you kids, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!"
But seriously, a neighbor had a local no-goodnik kid climb into their yard and up a tree, fall, banged his head on a small rock and broke his arm and the kids parent's SUED HIM!!!!! The fallout has being going on for almost two years now and even involved the county inspectors screwing with him.
IMHO, the kid should have been sent to juvie for trespassing!!!!! It looks like his sue-happy parents will be getting a nice fat check from my bud's home insurance company instead. What a world.
I found a PTZ control program for my PC that alleges it will follow a person's motion if you zoom in on them. Since this camera's lens is exposed (not in a mirrored dome like most non-IR cams) they'll know they're being watched and might even think I am at the controls. Hopefully they'll be freaked enough to play on the other side of the yard and screw with THOSE neighbors. The documents say the IR is good to 60M. I am betting that they really mean 20M. :-)
P.S. Speaking of the Daring Dufas, anyone got any updates on his whereabouts? I've been away for (a glorious) summer vacation in the Finger Lakes of NY (no global warming there) so I might have missed any recent posts about DD.
SH
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:05:03 -0400, "Sherlock.Homes"

Good luck with it. Glad to have helped. Let us know how it turns out.
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I learned a lesson from the Hubble. Test it out on the ground BEFORE you launch it!!!
This is my second, direct from China no-name PTZ camera. The first cost about $200 and compared in specs to cameras retailing here for $600. The risk paid off in that case and its been running - fairly light duty, no continuous panning, for almost five years. This one is a little different since the camera is not under a mirrored dome (IR capability makes that very hard to do in an enclosed dome) so more parts are exposed to the weather.
At under $200 its again worth the risk since I've worked with other PTZ cameras (Panasonics that have an INCREDIBLE amount of electronics and servos squeezed into a soup can sized enclosure). Those units, although they have impressive specs (360 degree pans in under 1 sec as opposed to 20 degrees per second on the no names) were always failing (too many electronics and heat in too small an enclosure.
These "straight from China" PTZ cams are large and easily worked on if they fail but it will probably be stolen before then. Task for today is to set it up in the basement on a test stand where I can make it dark enough to test the IR function.
Somehow, I feel more comfortable not expecting good tech support and not getting it than I do EXPECTING good tech support (and paying for it in the price of the item) and STILL not getting it.
????? kamsahamnida, Tony
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Sherlock.Homes wrote:

Hi, Ko map sup nida, SH. I am fan of Vivotek cameras. Cost about 2-3 times than consumer models but image quality and stability is superb for the price. My NAS is on 7/24 so alarm triggered recording is on going real time. I watch many wild life coming by like deer, bear, porcupine, rabbits, birds, squirrels in the yard. PTZ speed can be adjusted often and if you program patrol mode the camera will scan horizontally vertically as programmed and when alarm triggers zoom will wake up. You can program it to follow the moving object as well. Good camera with optical zoom is worthwhile. I never tried RS(serial) connected ones, always wireless IP ones I use. I don't want to run POE cables. There is open source program called iSPY, I wonder if you can try it with your set up.
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One's on order from Amazon thanks to CRNG (including a great clamp to the table-top LCD monitor arm that appeared in the search results, too). That CRNG knows how to spend my money almost as well as my wife!!!

I scoped out the angle of view. My last camera bit me because I installed it mid-winter. By the end of spring, a lot of trees had leafed out and blocked a lot of the view. This time we're doing it the other way around. Install when it's fully leafed out and be pleasantly surprised in the winter.

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They'd have to climb to the second story and dismount it from the brickwork. I was considered grinding the screw heads (philips) after installing, but I know who that's most likely to screw - ME!

Every year when my wife goes to visit her sister I keep myself locked up inside the house for a few days with my Mossberg within easy reach and let the mail and the newspaper pile up on the porch. Haven't caught me a stinking lowlife yet, but I did get a coupla lookie-lous one year that I really thought were going to come back to rip something off. I think the cameras (and the alarm stickers and lights) make them look for easier targets. I consider it a form of a hunting vacation without the black flies, sleeping bags, MREs and mosquitoes.
This year I am adding some new bait. The empty box of my new 50" LED TV filled with bricks. That's GOT to attract me some theiving bastards. I can hear them sqealing now after they hear the first pump: "We were just going to take it inside our house for you to protect it from rain and theives." Then I'll say "You have ten seconds to run . . . one, two, three TEN!"
The UPS guy says that nine times out of ten, its low life neighbors that steal packages.
SH
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:10:28 -0400, "Sherlock.Homes"

This is interesting. Please keep us informed. I'm sure I'm not the only one benefiting from your work.
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I am the one getting the benefit! If I hadn't asked here I'd be hanging off a ladder with a heavy drill wondering why the drill wasn't getting anywhere in 75 year old brick! I am hoping that I will eventually be able to post some interesting videos of the all the nocturnal critters that I know live in the backyard or cross through it at some point. And maybe even my neighbor's distraught faces as the camera tracks them around. I asked them nice, several times, not to go fence hopping and tree climbing. Now they get the perpetual staring eye of the robot head as their reward.
The only reason I got approval to hang yet another camera on the house is the ongoing lawsuit with the juvenile deliquent that broke his arm and banged his head TRESPASSING in a neighbor's yard. I learned something very interesting from that incident. Your homeowners insurance can decide to settle with someone making a claim even if you are 100% opposed to settling.
Another reason I got approval is that its in the backyard where few people will see it. The other PTZ is embedded in the front porch roof (that was an excuse to by a Rotozip!) so that only the dome shows. Much less obtrusive but the side porch is on the wrong side from the bad neighbors. So it goes.
I thought about strapping it to a big tree in the yard, but was afraid I'd get reported to the tree hugging police for tree enslavement or some other such charge.
SH
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wrote:

I assume he meant just to "light it up" and test it out to make sure it functions inside. I just began that process and so far the self-test process was performed correctly. Now to drag a monitor downstairs to see if it actually puts out an image and is controllable through the RS-485 controller.
Some interesting points. This is the first time I ever saw a PC-type "D" style cord with three pins opposite the wall plug end that was wired with only a two prong - ungrounded - line cord. I guess they save .2 cents doing that. I don't think it's an issue because only DC power goes to the unit outside but still, I have never seen anything like it.
Then I thought the IR LEDS were not working until I realized that the unit is equipped with a small photocell that shuts off the IR LEDS during daytime. That's good because I learned with a sealed IR bullet cam that the LEDS have a long life but when sealed up and running 24 by 7 they do fail. The bulletcam I had went dark when just one of the LEDS burned out. I opened it up, replaced the burned out one and apparently destroyed the moisture sealed because it fogged up soon afterward and never unfogged despite many attempts to fix it.
The pan and tilt motors are wisper quiet but like my other El-cheapo PTZ camera, the panning speed is about 20 degrees a second. Oddly enough I bought a small, cheap Zmodo pan and tilt only camera (no zoom) for the side of the house (very small and inconspicous) and it does a complete circuit in less than 2 seconds. Once you get used to having a zoom, a P and T only camera seems inadequate.
Now to find the joystick PTZ controller and a long BNC to RCA cable so I can track the cat in the basement in the dark. What fun.
FWIW, I normally use an IR handheld remote to controller an IR PTZ controller. I bought several and two have crapped out over the years so I went to get a replacement. They have a newer model out for $45 with lots of bells an whistles but a search of the net revealed a place in Hong Kong selling the old style for $14.25 each with free shipping. So with a little patience I get three of what I really want - units compatible with the existing remotes (they didn't fail) for the price of a single newer one with a different remote key layout. If anyone is interested its:
http://www.securitycamera2000.com/
RS 485 Wireless Remote Controller for PTZ Camera
Lots of features and functions - very happy with the ones I have other than the two control units failing but for $14.25 that's acceptable since I also get new remotes with each replacement. I have a huge joystick controller that I bought before I knew what I was doing that's great for testing but only useful if you're sitting in front of a bank of CCTV cameras all day. The other nice thing about the wireless (IR, not through walls, alas) controller is that I taught the PTZ codes to my learning remote so I can switch the TV to HDMI 3 (where the CCTV recorder is routed - a Swann 8 channel unit with 1TB internal disk) and then control the PTZ cams from the universal remote. Very slick!
SH
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Interestingly enough, I looked at some cameras with similar specs from places like Supercircuits and I am fairly sure they are the same cameras only marked up 400% to 600%!!!! My experience with Supercircuits tech support on a 4ch DVR I bought from them was clearly not worth that sort of mark up premium.
Also, I have been quite surprised at how well some merchants from China and Hong Kong understand and write English and have been able to make my technical issues understood and get solved. Much better than my Chinese!!!
FWIW, the camera is sitting in the basement, plugged in and running and will keep running (burning in) until I mount it this weekend. Building PC's taught me a lot about electronics - especially letting brand new stuff run before you seal it up and shit er ship it out <g> or in this case mount it on the second story outside wall. I have it set on endless pan for tonight - tomorrow I will program a "tour" to see if it can continually hit it's marks without drifting - a well-known issue with cheaper servo controls.
Still, I am sure you have been burned like me in that everything works UNTIL you put the case on!!!! Lets hope it still works when its launched into space and doesn't do a Hubble on me. >< (fingers crossed) I am worried about weather issues since this unit is not under a porch and the mechanicals are not enclosed in a dome because of the IR LEDS. Lordy I do love me some new toys!!!!
SH
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Sherlock.Homes wrote:

Hi, I am running 3 cameras outside, 7/24 hooked up to surveillance station on Synology NAS. I have Vivotek ones two fixed focus, one is PTZ. Never had any trouble in hot summer or cold winter days(like -35C) Image quality is excellent. I record alarm triggered images and store it for a week and dump it. I can watch my cameras any where if there is a 'net access.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:50:50 -0400, "Sherlock.Homes"
Who did you have to get approval from? The city?
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SWMBO - the authority from which there is no appeal! (I suppose if I had been dumb enough to buy a house controlled by an HOA they would be giving me trouble but I learned a long time ago that tyranny is alive and well in HOA's across the nation and to NEVER buy a house where my fascist neighbors get to tell me what I can and cannot do).
SH
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Nice setup, particulary the remote viewing. I am finally going to get an iPhone for Christmas (so I am told) which is supposed to be able to do the same anywhere there is cell phone access.
The older PTZ has both a fan and a heater controlled thermostatically. The new seems not to, though I haven't yet looked, although the documentation I received wasn't real specific to the camera I bought, so who knows?
I *still* haven't hooked it up completely but I noticed only two IR LEDS are lighting up. That could be due to a lot of things and I have delayed installation by a week (or more) until I figure it out. I suspect that the IR output is modulated by the brightness of the image on the CCD sensor. Will take hooking up a monitor and controller to find out.
Ironically the two LEDs that light up REALLY make it look like an angry robot head staring at you. Just what I want for the impolite neighbors. <G>
For now, I am just plugging and unplugging it so that it resets and runs through the intial lock-to-lock pan and tilt. I just haven't had the time to do it right.
I looked at the mortar where I want to hang it and danged if Vic wasn't right. I really should redo it at that particular location because the mortar "washout" is pretty bad (right near the gutter that occasionally overflows in really severe rainstorms). I am worried that the corner of the house will really expose the unit to a lot of wind-driven rain. I am thinking of testing it with a spray from a garden hose before mounting it (and while it's still under warranty - of sorts).
I say "of sorts" because shipping things BACK to Hong Kong or China is close to prohibitively expensive. Fedex economy service is about the cheapest because they idle shipments at their wharehouse until one of their planes isn't filled with items that have been shipped at normal cost.
Having to return something to China/Hong Kong is a far more troubling risk than not getting good technical support and I've had to eat more than one DOA item that would have cost more to return than it was worth.
SH
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I prefer motion detect cameras because they will help be when there is anything in backyard. And you can easily get alert when somebody try to get in you yard from rare wall. 'What your stock broker doesn&#8217;t want you to see' (http://easypcinvestor.com /)
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