Concrete Step


I need to add a small 4-1/2 " high step to an existing concrete sidewalk. Where the sidewalk meets the porch my dad has trouble stepping up to the 9" porch step. My thoughts were to pour a step about 4-1/2" high and 16" deep on top of the side walk to cut the stepping distance in half for him.
My plan was to drill a few holes in the old sidewalk, drop a few pieces of rebar in there to hold the new step. And just build a form for the step. I was going to use Quikrete and just smooth the top with a trowel, figure that will leave a rough enough surface so he doesn't slip in rain.
Does that sound like a good plan?
Thanks, Brian
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Your plan should work well. A trowel will be too smooth to leave as the finish, either use a float finish or plan on putting broom tracks in the top. You will need an edger to run around the edges. If there is not a rail at that location, I think you should add one.
Another alternative might be to knock out enough walk to ramp up the 4 1/2" or the full 9. Handicap code requires 1"/foot, no rails required requires 1"/20". This would require more concrete, more dirt work, more labor.
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SECOND the need for a handrail. From an age advantaged soon to be 78YO.

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I'm not sure if it is necessary to rebar it in place.
I can't imagine it moving easily.
And it will be less of a job if you want to remove it later.
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Sure, but you could also build a step or ramp using treated lumber which would be easier to remove later.
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wrote:

Yeah outdoor wood less work, beware all steps should be the same height or people WILL trip!
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4x8x16 concrete blocks, short sides to the porch, with a little mortar and/or construction adhesive on the bottom, and mortar or gray patching caulk in the cracks so they don't ice-heave. How wide is your sidewalk? Like another guy said, all steps should be as close to the same height as possible. If he has trouble with a 9" step, a sloping handrail is probably also a good idea. You don't want the step to be absolutely flat, for wet or freezing weather. I'd also check local precast concrete place for laughs- they may have something that will drop right in.
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wrote:

As this thread goes on, your situation sounds more and more like mine (except no father involved), and that of almost everyone of my neighbors on my side of the street. All of the stoops here have sunk, and various people did various things.
All I did is take 4 square pavers, 16" square, I think, and make two piles of two side by side, 28x14x iirc 4 or maybe 4 1/2, but I have to go outside to check.
I used tan ones, from Lowes I think, with curved lines in them so that a square of four would have a complete circle indented in them. In my case, the tan matches my house, even though it clashes a tiny bit with the whitish stoop.
I haven't mortared or cemented them together. They haven't moved more than a quarter inch total in a year -- I've pushed them back together once** -- but I do want to affix them more permanently some day. I would have no trouble using probably flat bar in holes in the stoop, because my stoop will never rise to where it had been.
**I also moved the lower layer forward a half inch so I could run an extension cord and garden hose behind them when I intended to leave those things out for an extended period and didn't want to trip on them. Even if you use quikrete, maybe you want to leave an empty tube back there for something like this?
One of my neighbors used pavers or bricks and boxed them in with 2x4s, which I think looks nice stylistically, but the paint is already coming off. I thought of making the box so it could be lifted off the masonry, and painted separately without getting paint on the stoop or step, and that seemed like a good idea, but then I found the pavers which were cheap and will give me time to make up my mind.

Really? I'm fine and I have trouble with a 9" step, not so much that I can't lift my foot 9" or my body after it, but that someday when I'm not paying attention to where I am, I would fall, going in or out.

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diablo wrote:

I used a couple pry bars to flip out the 4-foot section of sidewalk slab that is just before my front steps. I spread gravel and sand to build a gentle incline up towards the steps, then flipped the slab back into place over the sand/gravel bed. Now that final section of sidewalk slopes gently up towards the steps, so the first step is a low and gentle one. An added advantage of the sloped sidewalk is that water and snowmelt drains quickly off that section, so it's less hazardous.
Did this about eight years ago. It's only settled about an inch since then.
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There are no existing steps, then? It's just sidewalk up to the edge of the porch, and the porch is 9" higher than the sidewalk?
In that case, yeah, dropping a 4.5" thick slab of stone or cement on the end of the sidewalk, will work, although you'll want a railing, too. You shouldn't need the rebar. A 36x12x4.5" slab of concrete should weigh in excess of 150 pounds, it's not likely to move on you. I think I'd put down tarpaper, (Or saran wrap, or whatever you've got) between the walkway and the new step, so you can move it if you ever want the thing out of there.
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