On older revolvers it is possible for the gun to go off if you drop it on the
floor just right. If you carry the hammer down on an empty chamber, it can't
happen. When you pull the trigger or cock the hammer, the cylinder turns and
parks a loaded chamber in front of the hammer, ready to go.
That's the reason. Some people do it; most probably don't bother. Personally,
I've never dropped a firearm. And back when I carried a Colt Govt. model .45, I
carried it cocked and locked. As for revolvers, I've never carried one for
All my CCW weapons are carried with a live round in the chamber. Why on
earth would one NOT have a live round in the chamber? Modern weapons have
new designs where they will not discharge if dropped on the hammer. On
older weapons, that was why it was carried on a dry hole. With some
semiautos, it takes quite a bit of effort to load the first shell. And a
bit of time, too, which could make all the difference. I carry my semi-auto
with one in the chamber, hammer down, with 17 behind it. It takes a full
trigger squeeze to fire the first round, and then it will shoot as fast as
you can pull the trigger.
Carrying on empty? What do you do, say wait a minute while I load?
Yeah, I know. Doesn't affect how *I* want to carry.
Not with my Baretta.
Double actions tend do do that.
A minute? I'm racking as I'm clearing my holster. If it takes you a minute
to make a simple movement then it makes sense for you to carry with a round
in the chamber. Personal choice in the way anyone chooses to carry is just
that....personal choice. I'd appreciate it if those who choose to do it
differently than I do to knock off the criticism and be happy with their own
I'll confess to carrying with the chamber empty sometimes, and other times,
with one in the chamber. It's a Kahr K-40, so there's no safety. My criteria
for deciding how to carry at any given time are so complex that I'd rather
not try and explain. But, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the
likelihood of the gun being dropped.
In reality, I do it the same way. If I feel I'm going to be in a threatening
environment, I put one in the pipe. But that is few and far between, as I
prefer to avoid areas of potential trouble if I can.
If I'm in a crowded place where I'm gonna get jostled a lot, I never keep
one in the pipe. In rec.guns, I'll occasionally see some fake soldier claim
there's no way anyone could get his gun out of his holster because he's so
tough. Bullshit. There's always someone stronger or faster.
I know its BEretta("Baretta" is an old Robert Blake TV show),and it
probably has a spring-loaded firing pin,not free-floating.
IIRC,it's DA/SA,so you -could- carry it with a round chambered,hammer
down,and eliminate the extra step at a critical moment.
That's my major beef;it's one more thing you gotta do in a CRITICAL moment.
Plus,you get to carry one extra round!
Stubborn,aren't ya? ;-)
Hey,we're just discussing the pros and cons here,not mandating anything.
Sorry; I'm more concerned about its function than it's spelling ;-)
Right. With it's safety engaged, there's no chance of a round accidentally
from any cause. Which is why there is no risk of a slam-fire.
Fair enough. My point is, that I don't have that same beef.
Not in everything :-)
I'm chilled. But I won't be bullied about my preferences. Go back and look
at the thread, Jim. All the criticism about chamber-empty carry, centered
around direct responses to my answer to a question. If y'all had simply
answered the same question with your own responses, *THAT* would have been a
discussion. But to pile up on my response, addressing me about why *MY*
carry method is wrong ain't close to a discussion.
I respect you, Jim, and we're on the same side of the RKBA issue, but I
don't have to justify my style of carry to anyone :-)
No, sometimes it's an effort to correct a misunderstanding or misaprehension
of how a firearm works. At least two or three times a year we hear of some
cop who puts a Glock in his POCKET and is amazed that if blows off his nuts
when he sits down.
I saw a video of an army MP sergeant who could draw a 1911 from a fastened
flap holster, chamber a round, and fire in 0.17 seconds! With enough
practice (and God knows, a sergeant of MPs hasn't much else to do), just
about anything is possible.
So you're worried I'll blow my nuts off, or that I'm carrying in a dangerous
manner? Sorry, but I have to call partial B.S. on that :-) Go back and look
at the thread and you'll see that I never stated that carrying with one in
the pipe is dangerous, or harped on anyone for doing so.
I don't use a holster with a flap, and I practice drawing and racking.
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