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Hi Dan,

Or I eat what I want and to hell with the consequences.

And by the way, I chose what I ate. I believed the "healthy carbs" bull shit. I should have known better, but I liked what I was eating. Carbs are addictive.

And, guess what. I still eat too much and I am getting better. Wonder why that is? Do you suppose it is "what" I eat? No, couldn't be. Not a chance. I had to have hurt myself because I sit on my fat ass and eat too much! (2+2=3)

Eating too much and drug and allopath free since September 2013.

-T

No sign of any body parts falling off. Hmmm. Wonder why? Has nothing whatsoever to do with what I eat. Nope. Not a chance.

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Todd
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Hi Fran,

"Hunter-gatherers" ate whatever they could get their hands on. And when it was available, they always ate too much. They also had a lot more variety than we do today. A "well balanced diet" and didn't even realize it. And no T2 Diabetes.

The difference from today was that they had not artificially hybridized plants for unnatural amounts of carbohydrates. They couldn't get their hands on what is injuring us today. Our bodies are not designed for it. And there is no "natural selection" as we die from excess carbohydrate poisoning after we reproduce.

As far as turning back the clock, T2 Diabetes is a world side epidemic. We need to use the same smarts that got us these artificial high carb plants to hybridize the fat up and the carbs down. That will end the problem.

In the mean time, there are just a hand full of plants to avoid and you won't risk injuring yourself. One-out of-six!

And I still eat too much. I am really enjoying being able to taste my food again. And I am turning out to be a pretty good cook (lots of room to improve though).

I am like a kid in a candy store when I get into the produce section of grocery store. Meat section too. I ignore the row after row after row of "healthy carbs".

-T

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Todd

No, you just lost the argument and decided to insult me.

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Todd

Hi Fran,

You just reminded me to add avocados to this weeks shopping list. Great source of plant fat. (Also proves it can be done.)

You never said what kind of cow you raise? (Zero carb!)

Out here most all of the ranches are Cow-Calf.

For those unfamiliar, Cow-Calf is where the ranchers raise the calves to a certain age, then sell then to others to raise the rest of the way. Sort of like the tomato plants we buy at the nursery. When the ranchers round up all the calves for sale, the mamas cry all night. Kind of heart breaking.

One guy raises cows with the bent horns that the rodeo cowboys like to wrestle to the ground -- too hard to do with straight horns.

-T

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Todd

We have that 10,000 steps thingie up here too.

I put in the same or more as you in house, garden, shoppin, etc. but it nev er occurred to me that these steps would count toward the 10K. I thought it had to be stride ahead..

Agree 1000% on need to walk more.

It IS true that the greater LA area IS dreadfully spread out, such that it would take a good part of the day to take bus(es) to distant part of county . With better public transport, the suffering could have been mitigated de cades ago. But the government is owned by the oil & gas & automobile baron s who have spent gazillions over time at the est Little Whorehouse in Washi ngton (AKA U.S. Congress) to make sure their products continue to be consum ed, faut de mieux.

Now the traffic is so bad -- supposed to be worst in country ??? that peopl e just give up driving during rush hour which used to begin about 4:30-5:00 . Then 3:30-4:00 - then ... so now it is perpetual rush hour. I've read t hat people spent a WEEK of their lives stuck in traffic!!!

Personally, as a card-carrying science freak, I used to enjoy events at JPL and Caltech. Not any more..check out the 405 Freeway at rush hour! Apocal yptic.

Back to walking: So, it's a great concept, but realistically...

At least we have a lovely promenade overlooking the Pacific -- well used by people and dogs (on leash).

HB

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Higgs Boson

Hi Higgs,

I personally hate exercise. Rode a stationary bike once and though I'd died and gone to hell.

But, if you put a fishing rod in my hands and tell me there are trout over that mountain, I will hike, run, crawl over rocks ...

So as Mark Sisson (Mr. Paleo) puts it, the best exercise is the "one that you will do".

I find that walking/hiking will bring back down the blood sugar spikes from stress and down about 10 to 15 points in general.

And, I also find that you don't have to exercise your ass off either, just do something.

TROUT FEAR ME!

-T

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Todd

There was no argument.

How do you feed the world for the next 50 years without heavy reliance on farming and consuming high carb crops?

D
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David Hare-Scott

David Hare-Scott wrote: ...

the same way it was done before much of the current nonsense came along. diversity, smaller farms and people working together as an actual community.

i've seen good results here on not much room at all, no reason it can't work on a larger scale other than needing more people who would want to do it. enough people get hungry enough and perhaps they will want to do it too.

songbird

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songbird

There will be no sensible response. As a beef producer (grass fed only) and someone who comes from a long line of potato growers and from an immediate family that owned a free range poultry business, I know that access to the type of food that Todd keeps wittering on about is both expensive and scarce even in first world societies.

We first worlders are OK, stuff the rest of the world....................

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Fran Farmer

Where is your cite to prove that there was no T2 diabetes amongst hunter gatherers?

As is obesity and falling rates of physical activity according to the WHO.

We need to use the same smarts that got us

As will increased physical activity, eating in moderation and loss of weight.

Then perhaps you could try to learn self control.

I am really enjoying being

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Fran Farmer

Angus and some Angus cross.

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Fran Farmer

I found that interesting that it was also in the US so did a google - apparently the 10kstep thing started in Japan in the 60s. It's got around since them :-))

No, apparently the reason why it was started was because the average person only did between 3 and 5k per day and that's not enough. The recommendation is for 30 minutes continuous a day where you can still talk whilst walking plus try to get some vigorous (can't talk) each week.

I have no trouble fitting in walking. I lve on a farm but I also live near a small village and have joined a wlakign gorup there. But another example is that yesterday I had a Specialist Doctor's appointment in the Moderate Smoke. I parked in a multi storey car park at least 15 minutes walk away from the Doctor's rooms and them walked vigorously to the appointment. I was still at least 15 minutes early. I do the same thing when I shop. Put the car in the far distant corner of the supermarket and then wheel my trolley back there and if I need to go to anonther shop I'll walk there from that car park and then walk back with my goodies in a carry back I always carry with me (assuming of course that it's only a few items and not something that I'd need a team of Sherpas to carry back).

Don't you have any sidewalks in your suburb?

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Fran Farmer

Cuba is a good example of those sorts of techniques. I can't imagine too many people in the first world being willing volunteers for the sort of hard work that involves.

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Fran Farmer

There just won't be enough food. What is so hard to understand about 2/3 of the worlds food calories come from carbohdrates, mainly grain grown on farms? If you stop doing that what do they eat? Do it like it was done before? What was that, when? When the entire world population was a few million? How does that scale up to 7 billion? Where does the land come from?

Stop with the idealism for a second, take a breath and look at the figures. You and Todd are both in fantasy land.

D
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David Hare-Scott

yes, they actually improved their health after the initial decline in calories, (basically they lost a meal a day for a few years until the veggie patches came into production).

the thing is, that if you get everyone to put in a few hours here or there it isn't that bad. right now we are two people who sort of garden a few thousand square feet, it's not intensively done or even with a lot of fiddling, and while we may not have perfect results it still provides a great deal of food.

like right now, i'm harvesting strawberries so that's more than we'll ever be able to eat fresh. making freezer jam today and after one more large round of picking/processing i'll probably call people and let them know they can come pick when they want, first come first served. critters are eating plenty of them too.

songbird

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songbird

Accepting wikipedia's numbers for the sake of debate, New York City (proper) has an area of 304.8 square miles and a population of

8,405,837. According to my calculator, that works out to about 1010 square feet per person. Take out the space used by roads, walkways, parks and non-flattop buildings. How well do you think they will eat if they put in a few hours each, but you take away the farm influx?

And at ~27k/sqmi, NYC doesn't even come close to getting on wikipedia's list of top sities by population density. Looks like Manila works out to about 250 sqft/person.

What you say can be done, but it cannot be done for the current global population.

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Drew Lawson

never occurred to me that these steps would count toward the 10K. I though t it had to be stride ahead..

it would take a good part of the day to take bus(es) to distant part of co unty. With better public transport, the suffering could have been mitigate d decades ago. But the government is owned by the oil & gas & automobile b arons who have spent gazillions over time at the est Little Whorehouse in W ashington (AKA U.S. Congress) to make sure their products continue to be co nsumed, faut de mieux.

eople just give up driving during rush hour which used to begin about 4:30-

5:00. Then 3:30-4:00 - then ... so now it is perpetual rush hour. I've re ad that people spent a WEEK of their lives stuck in traffic!!!

JPL and Caltech. Not any more..check out the 405 Freeway at rush hour! Ap ocalyptic.

d by people and dogs (on leash).

Not in suburb. Very small city on the Pacific(Santa Monica) right next to v ery big city, Los Angeles. Yeah, we have sidewalks, traffic lights; the wh ole enchilada. But plenty of places to walk, esp. the sea cliff Promenade.

(In some huge LA shopping malls, people -- women? older -- have regular wal king groups. Partly social, I would assume? But in this nice climate, why walk indoors?)

In my tiny city we have overbuilding, courtesy of idiot contingent on City Council, resulting in even more traffic, also from people coming in from ou tside to work in high tech, medical, other (it's a desirable area). I'll o ften walk downtown or if backpack overloaded,take the bus,just not to deal with parking.

You asked about sidewalks. One street in ritziest part of town, has no sid ewalks! I kid you not! Those fortunate souls need never be crude pedestri ans. I vaguely understand that in the next county the car-oriented, sterile fortress suburbs often have only driveways; no sidewalks

You are correct in that one can fit in a 10-15 min. fast walk as you descri bed; just takes determination. I go forth inspired!

HB

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Higgs Boson

The one about Diabetes being a rich world problem

Heavy reliance on farming and low carb crops.

-T

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Todd

Hi Songbird,

1+

Saw a documentary on Netflix about a guy that did full circle farming. He got $3000 per acre (if he is to be believed). Where as his neighbors only got about $450 per acre. It is a great model. And the food tastes so much better.

I do believe the guy said what he was really doing was raising grass.

Grass-->cows-->sheep-->turkeys (eat the bugs in the poop)

-->chickens (bugs)-->plow poop under-->raise vegetables,

-->back to grass. If I remember correctly, he had six fields under constant rotation. Move out the cows, move in the sheep, etc..

I hate lamb from the supermarket. I wonder if I would like his. He said he couldn't keep up with demand. Which is what happens when food tastes good.

-T

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Todd

Hi David,

I just don't see it. That same farm land can grow other crops. The techniques Songbird and I talk about can incorporated in various degrees.

Think of this, the California wine industry has almost completely switched to organic techniques. The reason being that the entire vineyard is consistent, one end to the other. They no longer have one end that is more sour than the other, etc.. And, they get a higher yield. Cheaper too.

So basically, if we are to feed more people, this is an idea that is coming. It is a matter of practicality, not idealism.

Just out of curiosity, do you use compose in your garden or ammonium nitrate? Which gets the better, more consistent yield?

-T

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Todd

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