Re: Freezer question, your experience.

GregS wrote

I prefer to have adequate bench space in the kitchen for that.

So in practice that isnt likely to be much use even if you are very short of bench space.

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Rod Speed
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t actually does.

=3D=3D I'll go along with that conclusion as well. =3D=3D

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Roy

who said anything about cardboard milk cartons?

frozen coke cans just pop out the inverted base if yyou freeze them (over here anyways ;>))

Jim K

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Jim K

The coke cans do but I can assure you that cans of Stella pop the ring pulls if left in a freezer.

Adam

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ARWadsworth

That still doesn't make sense. how do they expel the frost, scrape it off and then toss it out somehowwww??? They might mean a self- defrosting freezer, that would make some sense at least.

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hrhofmann

Nearly all the air drops out of an upright. The thing is, air has little mass. Its the foods mass which stores the absence of heat. But, if you keep opening the door, it matters.

Wrong. The circulation fan is the main cause. I know by use. The old refridgerators have less effect on partially closed containers. Its hard to seal a lot of them. I think it may have somthing to do with the ziploc bags in my freezer expanding. They all fill up with air over time, and I keep letting the air out. IS THIS MAGIC ?? Most of what i say about the refridgerator/freezer subject is from direct experiance.

The ideal system is a separate freezer and fridge in the kitchen, and also a walk in pantry. One TV show, Chef at Home, has these features with an otherwise normal looking medium sized kitchen. Nice. I wish. At least I have 2 microwaves and two turbo ovens and a regular oven, there.

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GregS

hr(bob) snipped-for-privacy@att.net wrote

the lid is closed.

It does actually, tho its been dumbed down like with so many sales speils.

Just replace the new air that has just entered when the lid was opened with dry air that has been passed over the chiller coils so the frost doesnt form inside the freezer where it gets deposited on the food etc.

Thats how the frost free system works.

They arent self defrosting, they just ensure that the frost never forms inside the freezer, the air deposits the mosture outside the freezer before it gets into the freezer.

Thats how any frost free system works.

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Rod Speed

GregS wrote

Yes, but thats very little mass, even with an empty freezer.

Not really, because even with say 10 door openings, the mass of air thats lost is trivial compared with the mass of whats in the freezer.

Nope.

There isnt necessarily any circulation fan at all. None of my upright freezers have any circulation fan at all.

And even with a fan, that uses very little energy.

You clearly dont.

Thats just the circulation of the air effect.

Plenty of upright freezers have no circulation fan, none of mine have one.

Its completely trivial to seal them all.

Mine dont. I put the meat in the bags when the meat is wet and the meat sticks to the plastic and they dont expand.

Nope, just evidence that a ziplock isnt a perfect seal.

There are alternatives to ziplock bags.

But you dont understand the basics, or even that plenty of upright freezers have no fans or self defrost either. None of mine have either.

Yes, that is what I have, but separate doors isnt that much worse and has some advantages efficiency wise, two less external surfaces.

I prefer a different approach myself, one wall covered with shelves.

Even very large pull out wheeled shelves a bit like books in a bookshelf has some advantages too.

medium sized kitchen. Nice.

I dont care what it looks like, what I care about is how well it works.

Sounds like overkill.

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Rod Speed

Both types have pros and cons - I've always been under the impression that the upright types allow a lot of coldness to 'escape' when the door is open compared to chest freezers.

Just how this impacts on electricity usage in the real world, I don't know. *If* it does at all...

The big downside with chest freezers you've already mentioned :) OTOH, if you have a need to put something large in a freezer (the neighbours body... or whatever) - then the chest freezer would be ideal.

I currently have a chest freezer, but am considering an upright as a future replacement.

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Jeßus

Frugal people automatically consider efficiency and waste, no matter how tiny or trivial. We may decide to ignore it, but if everything else is equal there's no point in NOT wasting something.

That's what my mom did, for convenience. She filled any excess space with jugs of water.

You're right. If I ever buy a freezer (possibly around the time that it will no longer be needed because hell has frozen over) I'll get an upright. You can stack LOTS of crap on an upright...

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The Real Bev

That isn't really true -- at most, one or two pounds of cold air escapes and is replaced with warm air. That has almost zero effect on the temperature inside.

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Doug Miller

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I suspect I've lost more $ with the chest freezers I've owned through lost food than I have through the 'air dump' of the uprights. [minimized by keeping the freezer full- even if it is just jugs of ice or bread.]

My neighbor wasn't that big-- but a few minutes with my electric chainsaw & he fit in my upright just fine.

I've owned both & prefer the upright for most use. If I was buying a whole cow every year I might consider a dedicated 'beef freezer'.

Jim

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Jim Elbrecht

Take out the shelves and stand them upright.

Ever try and stuff a rigor mortis'ed body into a chest freezer?

-sw

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Sqwertz

How does non-pressurized air have weight?

-sw

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Sqwertz

The same way anything else has weight. Did you really think that air weighs nothing?

BTW, there's no such thing as "non-pressurized air". The air you're breathing right now has a pressure of 1 atmosphere, equal to about 14.7 pounds per square inch.

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Doug Miller

Dry out and flavor, is my concern both refridgerator and freezer. I have not run into any self defrosting unit without a fan. We are talking about self defrosting.

greg

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GregS

jeez, no wonder i'm wheezing. i thought it was the cigarettes.

your pal, blake

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blake murphy

GregS wrote

Yes, but thats trivially fixable. Just put the meat in plastic bags when still wet so the plastic sticks to the meat, you dont get freezer burn.

Get proper containers for the other stuff, I use glass jars that marmalade, relish etc comes in.

Get decent a frost free fridge so there never is any frost forming on the food and there is no heating of the food when auto defrosting either.

I didnt say self defrosting without a fan. I JUST said no fan. There are plenty of those.

Nope. There is also frost free.

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Rod Speed

Yes. All my scales currently read "0". Yet sitting on top of them are billions of cubic feet of air.

OK, So I had to look it. I don't know the logic behind it, but 1 cubic foot of air at standard temperature and pressure assuming average composition weighs approximately 0.0807 lbs.

So to understand your comment, one would have to know the weight of 0F (approximately) air and then convert that to cubic feet to get any sort of sense what the f*ck you actually mean.

Anybody know that off the top of their head? (Some dumbass will of course look it up, post it, and claim they knew it. but this is Usenet - shit like that is a given).

-sw

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Sqwertz

lol

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Ophelia

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