God I hope I haven't been suckered into replying to troll/spam.
But for a beginner woodworker, I can't imagine why on earth you'd recommend their first tools include a 1/2" hammer drill, a glue gun, and a paint gun.
Certainly! Back to the original questions, and onward with helping newbies. I'm seeking clarifications to the following expert recommendations, as maybe _I_ can learn something.
So, Gary,
Why would you recommend a 1/4 sheet sander over a random orbit sander, when both can be had for about the same price?
Why would a newbie need _any_ pneumatic tool without a compressor?
Why would a newbie need a pneumatic screwdriver, when a VSR drill is also on the list?
Why a glue gun? What's your recommendation for glue for this gun?
What advantage does a poor table saw _and_ a cheap circular saw have over a high quality circular saw and edge guide?
Wouldn't a woodworker need some sort of measuring device and angle layout tools? What would you recommend?
Thanks in advance, Barry
Self proclaimed experts? Well, as they say, "it takes one to know one".
Hot glue gun? 5 pound reversible HAMMER drill? Pneumatic screw gun $40.00, what about the other couple of hundred for the compressor? Maybe you can recommend one of those 12V tire inflation compressors to run it for $24.00. Airless spray gun when a less then $100.00 serviceable HVLP system is available in the same catalog? Not a mention of clamps, chisels, rasps & files, let alone measuring and marking tools. HF has some reasonably accurate engineering squares in that same catalog. Hell, not even a hint of the most important tool of all, reference books.
While the opening sentiments are good, ninety percent of the tool list is so ludicrous it smacks highly of troll. The only reason I can see for anyone replying to it is that some newbie might actually take it seriously.
Hell man your not even an expert troll but, to give some credit, you did provide some entertainment and a chuckle or two.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:55:12 GMT, Export Woodworker spammed:
Man, this smells so much like Davey...
I once had a guy apply for work who said he had forty years experience
- and he did, too - as a concrete form man. Didn't have much use for him.
I'd take that five-hundred dollars and buy all best quality hand tools
- the prettiest ones I could find.
That way the kid has a good leg up if he sticks with it and can use the tools as decorations if he doesn't.
Regards,
Tom Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
Your post reminded me of a question that came up when discussing a Christmas gift idea with my wife. She was attempting to locate the larger amp hour (3.5ah)Panasonic drill recently reviewed in a woodworker mag. She thought she should get me the "set" that included an impact driver. I was then and am now unable to imagine a use for an impact driver in woodworking. When I hear/see impact all that comes to mind is the dismounting and mounting of automobile wheels.
I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on the need for such a tool in a wood shop.
Regards, RichardC
You may have tested the particular item, but who's to say that when _I_ buy one, it won't be the same branding, but completely diffferent (and even junkier) guts? That's how these cheap tool makers work, isn't it? (That's how cheap PC builders work).
Also, I have some air tools, and use them from time-to-time, but what the heck is an air screwdriver?
Jim H
Umm, with that table saw, the best way to use it is to jack up the arbor nut, and slide a $100 used 1970's Craftsman contractor's saw under it.
Then replace the arbor nut with the one that came on the Craftsman ;)
In the spirit of the holiday season,
I think it's great that you are able to give your grandson some tools that will hopefully, foster a desire for him to follow in your footsteps. For whatever reason you selected those particular tools - it's your gift to him and I hope you follow-up and show him how to properly use them. Forty years of experience - that would be the real gift.
Bob S.
"Jim Helfer" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
I must say that I am shocked at the personal attacks I have gotten today. I knew that there would be one or two, but I certainly am surprised at the volume. I am up in years. I am not as young as most of you probably are. I offered advice on a series of products that I recently purchased and I have been accused of being a spammer, and my experience has been questioned. Did I ever say...hey don't buy a Jet cabinet saw or a Unisaw if you are a veteran. No. Heck, I don't understand this generation much at all.
snipped-for-privacy@adelphia.net (Tom Bergman) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:
Would a spammer admit that many of the products sold by the company in question are garbage? Probably not. I found the SPECIFIC items on the list to be adequate for a BEGINNER. Why are you so harsh?
Expert Woodworker responds:
Best not to start off calling people jerks, then.
Damfino. I turned 65 in October. Seems to me most of the guys on here are in their 40s and up, and there are at least 3 who are older than I.
You offered advice that is near useless for the intended audience, but spouted off about it being great advice from someone with lots of experience, knocking all the "self-appointed" expert woodworkers. Who appointed you?
Which one?
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal." Alexander Hamilton
snip of resume and odd choices.
How come I feel like Bob Vila just branched out to the NG? Dave in Fairfax
"Bob S." wrote in news:Ie_Eb.38979$ snipped-for-privacy@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
Thank you, Bob. Like I said, the majority of the users here are good people. It is about time that one of them decided to reply.
I offered to buy him a high end circular saw and a few other expensive pieces. Actually, he picked out the HF stuff by himself. I originally thought it was a bad idea, but I went along with it and put the order on my card. Once the stuff arrived I was truly impressed at the relatively acceptable performance. I make no account of other products from this vendor. I have also seen a fair amount of crap from them.
snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnotforme (Charlie Self) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m23.aol.com:
I said that there was a small percentage, as in any other forum.
Make that 4, sonny.
I see that I am not very welcome here. Don't worry. I will not bother any one of you any more. I am not as efficient a communicator as I am a woodworker. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought I was being helpful.
Gary
Sam Spade shows: "No match for WOODWORKPRO.NET and running the IP addy shows:
12/20/03 11:09:59 IP block 63.223.5.95 Trying 63.223.5.95 at ARIN Trying 63.223.5 at ARINOrgName: CAIS Internet OrgID: CAIS Address: 6861 Elm Street, Third Floor City: McLean StateProv: VA PostalCode: 22101 Country: US
ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.cais.net:4321/
The comments were skeptical based on your choices, and questioning of your motives, not disgusting, false, or libelous. What was false was your e-mail addy. What was disgusting was your rabid attack rather than a reasoned one. His domain was correct, yours was not. AS yet nothing libelous has been written. You are correct in pointing out that some HF tools are worth having, many are not. I still think that your choices are odd but the reasons have been covered by others. If you don't want spam, feel free to mung your addy, many of us do, most also show a usable addy in the sig line. Free exchange is welcome here, insults and ads aren't. Dave in Fairfax
Nah, Davey'd be working today, this close to Christmas.
The Harbor Fright stuff don't bother me none - I just can't figger a self proclaimed old fart would be using Xnews.
Now, Scotty Cramer uses Xnews...
Regards,
Tom Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) http:users.snip.net/~tjwatson
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Because this is the sander that my grandson ordered and I find the quality to be acceptable for what it is.
I gave my grandson an old compressor of mine, so he did not need to buy one.
I did not write the shopping list, Barry. All I did was pay the bill and test the gear.
A glue gun is nice to have around. They do have their place like for lite detailing, though I admit that I do not use one very often. I keep alot of titebond and gg around.
He insisted on the table saw. I tested it and it is not as bad I expected once you get the guide set. I agree about the circular saw and the one he has was another surprise once we changed the blade.
Of course, I have tons of this stuff around. He did not need to buy this.
LET ME REPEAT: I ENDORSED A LIST OF SPECIFIC TOOLS THAT WERE PICKED OUT BY MY GRANDSON.
PS. I would have gladly articulated more if I were not so aggressively attacked. I'm just an ole man trying to be helpful. Sorry if I appear to be a joke in your eyes.
snipped-for-privacy@fairfax.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@fairfax.com:
You are not as clever as you think. I never claimed to get my email at 'woodworkpro.net'. What gave you that idea? My email address is obviously a fake for SPAM evasion purposes. Am I the only person in this group that does not provide my real email address? Not at all.
The shiny lure, accurately cast, barely caused a ripple as it 'plonked' into the placid waters of the old wRec ....
The Question: Is David at it again?
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