But then again I have doubts about Consumer Reports ability to be objective, has to do with being paid by whom?
Could be like beer medals if you show at the show you get a gold medal. Which explains how Lite beer got its praise.
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I've had that happen on a few items, but generally speaking Amazon tends to be lower. If you're one of those smart phone carrying types, just load Amazon in your phone and take a look--if it's cheaper then go with Amazon. If not, go elsewhere.
Puckdropper
All tests are no better than the folks that perform them. The folks that p erform them are no better than their adherence to the standards and paramet ers they are told to follow. The standards and parameters are designed by someone that may or may not be anyone more than a lab guy, no real experien ce in the field.
With that in mind, I always take tests with a grain of salt, no matter who does it. Too many times I believed tests and followed the results if from a trusted publication. Now I look at tests as starting points, not much mor e than guidelines. If they don't include testing protocols and procedures, I don't even read the results or article.
As far as medals and awards go, I use the same skeptical approach. Whose t aste buds decided the awards? How many contestants were there competing? Did they follow a standardized judging set of rules? Are their standard ru les for certain competitions, or are they held just for fun?
Could be gold medals are sometimes won if there are few contestants, and th e contest (of whatever that might be) has judges that observe nothing more than their own personal taste.
Robert
I have got some new auto parts on e-bay faster than the dealer could get them for me, and at a fraction of the cost ($40 instead of $100). And, they were shipped to me at home.
I've got a mini-barn to re-paint this year (tan). Any reason not to get my paint from Menards?
Bill
"All tests are no better than the folks that perform them. The folks that perform them are no better than their adherence to the standards and parameters they are told to follow. The standards and parameters are designed by someone that may or may not be anyone more than a lab guy, no real experience in the field.
With that in mind, I always take tests with a grain of salt, no matter who does it. Too many times I believed tests and followed the results if from a trusted publication. Now I look at tests as starting points, not much more than guidelines. If they don't include testing protocols and procedures, I don't even read the results or article.
As far as medals and awards go, I use the same skeptical approach. Whose taste buds decided the awards? How many contestants were there competing? Did they follow a standardized judging set of rules? Are their standard rules for certain competitions, or are they held just for fun? "
Could be gold medals are sometimes won if there are few contestants, and the contest (of whatever that might be) has judges that observe nothing more than their own personal taste.
From talking to the local brewers and wine folk, if you enter the product in the sponsors show you will get an award.
As far as paint goes in do not buy the formulation that HD or Lowe's or Menards sells, I do buy SW based upon that I can do two coats and cover, the amount of titanium dioxide is the key from what I have learn, having someone who deals in paint and is knowledgeable priceless.
That bit about SW I learned from you Robert thanks.
If you like painting, go for it.
You would buy paint for the barn from Sherwin Williams?
20-25 yrs ago, we bought the red barn paint from Big Lots, $5 a gallon. Be st barn paint we've ever bought. Go figure! The barn, the paint job, sti ll looks good, today. Big Lots has products for limited times and I haven' t seen that paint, there, since our initial purchase. I always ask about t hat paint, but the clerks/managers never know what's to be supplied/stocked , next time around.
Sonny
I guess it depends on how long I expected to keep the barn and what I wanted it to look like. A lot of barns don't get painted (or haven't been in 50 years). Because it's a barn doesn't mean it less work to paint.
Yeah, we all know what Consumer Reports is, a bunch of well meaning but marginally competent do-gooders coming up with ridiculous tests that have little to do with the utility of the products that they test.
Generally speaking the product that Consumer Reports hates is the first one I check out. So far this policy has served me well and I have come to grief whenever I deviated from it.
Consumer Reports sell a product, the tests they run are based on some standards (but whose).
Just cause it is on the Web and it is on Wikipedia does not mean they tested something right.
Markem wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
One of my favorite posts was one Robatoy made regarding standards. I've reposted it below.
Puckdropper
-- Robatoy's Post -- From: Robatoy
All that hoopla hasn't amounted to a hill of beans with many suppliers. Wilsonart Canada, for instance, bragged about all those ISO numbers.
Their delivery system was so incredibly bad that it actually became a source of humour for us at my shop. They used their own trucks and sometimes other carriers. They had managed to get 23 shipments in a period of 6 months, wrong. 23 out of 23. Wrong sinks, Wrong adhesive colours, Wrong quantities Batting a 1000. Then one day, a truck pulled up and it had 6 sheets of 12-ft x 30" solid surface, the associated sinks and adhesives and the whole order was correct. We laughed and laughed.. they finally got one right.
A half hour after that truck left, another truck, this time their own truck, pulled in with the identical order on it to the one that was just delivered.
Now the laughing really started. All was well with the universe, the spell had not been broken, they screwed up yet again, even by getting it right...twice!
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The visual of you puttering around in a Yugo with a trunk-load of Black&Decker tools is a bit more than I can stomach this early.
I can't think of anything on Amazon I can't find elsewhere. Lately too many things are 1/2 to 1/10th the price elsewhere. Even their reasonably priced items can often be matched at a local store, and in that case I usually buy locally.
Different strokes. Time is money too.
And if you live, for example, in Lone Tree, Ia. you may not have any local alternative.
I certainly don't live in E. Bumf and can't find the variety that I can find on Amazon and certainly not in one place. Often I can, so I buy locally. Tools are rarely a deal on Amazon, likely because the margin on tools in so low to begin with (and those that may have a larger margin are price controlled).
At first, I read that as Lone Tree, La. I'd never heard of Lone Tree, La.
We gots a Lone Pine, though, pert near Turkey Creek, and they ain't got nuttin in either place, but 'cept a bar, a fried chicken place and a curve in the road, in TC.
Sonny
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