Does Tite Bond II have any track record with you guys? I was an elmers wood glue guy, but am willing to try new things. This TB II stuff claims to be for exterior use as well (water resistance, etc.)
The hardware store says that of all the wood-specific glues, they sell by far the most of the TB II. And of all the glues total, it's the one with the least complaints (none), and the glue with the most complaints is the elmer's wood.
Looking for experienced comments here. Having used everything to repair chairs before (from plain vanilla elmer's white to PL-400
TB-III (3) passes ANSI Type-2 waterproof test; TB-II (2) only Type-I (I know, that TB product #3 is a #2 test is cornfoozing).
The difference is the level of water resistance; neither is truly waterproof as epoxy/resorcinal/etc. but use TB-III for exterior work that does get wet; otherwise no real reason to use it. Well, there is actually one other reason but not particularly related to the water-resistance issue; TB-III has quite a lot lower chalk temperature (I forget the exact number and am too lazy to look it up at the moment :), after all it is Labor Day ) but it's roughly 50F. That can be a benefit in exterior use as well.
TB-I /-II are yellow carpenters' glues that are equivalent to any other on the market--I've used it by the 5-gal bucket over the years. I recommend it highly although there's little to commend it over any other reputable similar product; they're all essentially equivalent. In larger-volume times I've used the Woodworkers' Supply "Ol' Yeller" that's about 20% or so cheaper as well but one has to be in large production environments for the cost of "ordinary" glues to be sizable enough an expense to even be noticed.
All in all, use what's locally available at good pricing/convenience; there's really very little to pick one over another.
The only really significant difference is w/ the TB-III (and similar) products--they satisfy a higher level of water resistance and are indicated for exterior use or as noted in another response where the lower chalk temperature is a desirable trait.
There was a test done about 5 years ago compairing the wood glues. TB3 "claims" water proof over weather resistant for TB2. The magazine test showed TB2 to actually be more water resistant than TB3. If you read the fine print on the back of the bottle of TB3 you find that there is a reference to the testing lab qualifications for "water proof". Other than "Water Proof" being mentioned in the title of the test standard, from that point forward water resistant is the only compairison. The TB3 lable is as misleading as hell.
That said, TB3 is still a pretty good glue. Price wise 30-40% better than TB 2, IMHO no. I mostly buy TB3 because of the color of the product. It is tan in color and dries to a medium brown. For me the medium brown color looks better than YELLOW.
I disagree; the label says what ANSI test the product(s) pass -- there is quite a lot of difference between the two test procedures and it is TB states the glue isn't to be used for locations that are immersed but is suitable for continuous moisture exposure.
Basically the difference is a water-resistant glue passes muster against the ANSI Type 2 Standard. TB didn't write the Standard; they simply developed products (as did all the other manufacturers) that meet the published specifications.
The Type 2 test is repeated cycle of a four-hour soaking of the cured glue joint followed by a dry bake. IIRC, the repeat count is also four. After this, the joint is tested for integrity.
The Type-1 ANSI Standard test for "waterproof" designation is similar except the test joint is boiled for four hours (instead of simply being soaked), then baked. The boil sequence is repeated then the sample is cooled w/ running water and tested for integrity while still wet.
What some other testing regimen may have done could be interesting if it represented some particular application one had in mind, but doesn't have much bearing on the specific qualification of any product to meet the ANSI Standard.
The ANSI Standard is simply what it is--a test regimen that indicates the ability of the product to withstand the test cycle as specified. It is simply a consistent measurement against which different products can be compared. It's really nothing different than a specific UL rating for other products; it has some meaning in that the product met the test requirements but one can't draw conclusions other than those directly observable from the results of the tests.
There are also versions of TB-II that are more viscous (less runny) high tack. Particularly useful for trim, etc., but shorter open time.
Want to say it seems I recall that perhaps there's another that is longer open time but not absolutely positive w/o looking at full-line catalog. There's a darker Type-I as well that's less expensive than
-III if want the color; don't recall about that for --II for sure, either.
All in all, if look at full product line, there's about anything one might want... :)
"Titebond II Premium Wood Glue is the only leading brand, one-part wood glue that passes the ANSI Type II water-resistance specification. It is ideal for exterior woodworking projects, including outdoor furniture, birdhouses, mailboxes, planters and picnic tables."
Regardless of your interpritation of the fine details,
If you see a lable that says "WaterProof" would you expect more performance out of it than simply "Water Resistant" The lable is misleading as the glue is not "Water Proof".
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