To support my woodworking habit (which has unfortunately been on
furlough the past 6 months) I write reports and articles on social and
For the past 7 months we have been running a survey among various
groups. I thought it would be fun to do the wreck. In a week or so
I'll tabulate the responses and post them here for all to see what we
do with that other kind of wood.
The survey is completely confidential (eg, there is no identifying
information) and anything I post on here will be in aggregate
including comparing wreckers (as a group) to the world population in
Just for your own comfort - everyone does themselves at least
occasionally, 71% of men (and 38% of women) cheat at least once and
most of those have paid to get it, and people in Oz (is Black Sheep
still around?) have the most active 'private lives' of all
Here's the survey:
I think between the trolls, the spammers and other weird cases of humanity
mucking around in this group - we do not need to add your sexual fantasy
survey - it serves no purpose.
You may call it fun, I say take it elsewhere.
Speaking of "spam" ... been keeping count of the spam I get here at the
house since July 6, 2003. As of this AM, 4,214 UCE's in 25 days.
If public execution is the only way to put a stop to this sh*t, I am all for
The US has the highest level of rape of all industrialized nations,
and over 7 times the rate, per capita, as Europe. Divorce in the US
has risen to near 60% of all marriages. Teen pregnancies,
single-parenthood, and STD's (particularly Herpes and HPV among 8th -
11th graders) are a huge problem.
Too often in the US we shy away from discussing and addressing issues
such as this and then wonder why we have the problems we do. Through
information gathering such as this and other studies that are taking
place we will gain a better understanding of these issues and
hopefully be able to have a positive impact.
Why the wreck? One reason is simply to continue to add to the number
of respondents and therefore the accuracy and value of the data.
Another is that this is an area that many people are in fact
interested in. In other similar lifestyle groups where we've posted
the survey most of the people within the group have enjoyed seeing the
results and how their group compares to the rest of the population and
for a few, how they personally compare.
This just isn't true.
The actual statistic AFAIK is that the divorce rate is ~50% of the marriage
rate. This does *not* mean that half of all marriages end in divorce. People
get married all the time, people get divorced all the time -- but many times
more people *stay* married.
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Save the baby humans - stop partial-birth abortion NOW
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:54:57 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org Said:
You are correct. In reality any type of online survey is
statistically invalid and many statisticians don't care for them.
However, the internet has two advantages:
1) Cost. Conducting a statistically valid survey to collect this same
information would cost us approximately $4 per respondent, not
including survey design and analysis. With over 6,000 respondents
(and a target of 14,000) that's a chunk of change. Conducting the
survey online costs us less than $0.12 per respondent.
2) There is an advantage to self-selection when specific lifestyle
groups are targeted. Though this doesn't hold water statistically for
drawing conclusions, it can be of benefit in guiding our research
direction. It also provides some interesting views such as thus far
on rec.ww peoples overall satisfaction with their marriage is higher
than the population in general but their satisfaction with their sex
life is slightly lower.
Finally, we do some validation in norming our data against known data
such as cenus information and include questioning identical to both
the Janus and Hart reports for further comparison.
Hells bells. TV, Radio, music, streetcorner, mall, now the wreck! we can't
get away from it. I just want to be able to hold off "the talk" until my
kids hit 3rd grade! The rest of the world is not somehow more enlightened.
Maybe we need less, not more.
Ya know, El Sauro, I kinda wish ya hadn't jest driven that image inta
ma tiny brain like a sixteen penny nail.
Y'all Milwaikiki boyz sher dew know how ta have fun.
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
Yet another stupid site that can't deal with the fact that I have
cookies enabled but am behind a firewall (Zonealarm). Doesn't work with
either Mozilla or IE and I'm sure not going to take down the firewall
just to satisfy my morbid curiousity.
Not that I'd take a survey anyway, but was curious regarding the
This is the first I've heard of a firewall issue. They're checking
into it. I'd planned on posting the results in about a week so your
curiosity will be satisfied.
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:23:57 GMT, Mark & Juanita
Kinda...a Linksys NAT router for our office. No filtering turned on...other
than blocking non-HTTP and non-SSH ports. Never a problem with other
Incidentally, it worked this time...I think. It skipped to question
twenty-something after the first page. Very confusing.
(remove the ZZZ to contact me)
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