Tansu joinery

Of course such a machine could be built, but would be rather expensive.

There are several books on japanese joinery, and also some (limited) web sites.

Grab a copy (and "Traditional Korean Furniture" too). They've just gone out of print and they're already getting hard to find.

If you're interested in tansu specifically, then another good book is Ty & Kiyoko Heineken's "Tansu"

or for a coffee table book with better photographs but less informative text, "Japanese Cabinetry"

My impression is that Japanese furniture joinery is relatively simple, compared to building joinery. The craft system is such that apprentices are already heading for one narrow specialisition and (until recently) there was little cross-over. The styles and joint choices are thus quite distinctive between products. The typical Japanese reverence for tradition encourages this too.

I find Japanese cabinetry very simple to build. For tansu certainly, you're looking at far more work to do the ironwork than to make the woodwork, although as many tansu are three layers of nested box, then they can be quite lengthy too. I'm almost embarassed by the simplicity of some Japanese joinery. I've made pieces in the past with authentic pegged open tenon joints, then had them dismissed by Western woodworkers because they weren't dovetailed.

The clamped mitre is also an excellent way to make stable doors and light panels against moisture movement, but you _must_ use stable timber that's exactly quarter sawn, or else the thing warps completely. Japanese cabinetry assumes perfect timber and has few ways of using up those boards that are less than perfect. The British tradition OTOH, is all about using up the cast-offs that were too small for Nelson's Navy to build ships with.

For a pretty, but lightweight, picture gallery of framing joints try Seike's, "The Art of Japanese Joinery"

A _much_ better guide to using and cutting such joints though is Nakahara's "Complete Japanese Joinery"

Take a look at Chinese cabinetry sometime. Far more complex than Japanese, and much less visible.

Japanese cabinetry is realtively simple in scope. No chairs, no beds - so there are few items with legs, or that must withstand the racking forces of someone leaning back on them. Most Japanese styles have wide slab faces and so the design problem to overcome is that of dealing with moisture and timber movement in the seasonally varying Japanese climate, rather than the Western or Chinese problem of withstanding a high force through a narrow joint.

-- Do whales have krillfiles ?

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:16:16 -0800, Layne brought forth from the murky depths:

Check places like Alibris.com, edwardrhamilton.com, Abebooks.com, Half.com, and Amazon.com for used or remainder books at MUCH lower prices. Renata and I were just lamenting those low prices yesterday. We buy far too many books that way. ;)

Art of Japanese Joinery: $8.75+4 at Abe, $5 + $2.79 s/h at Half. Japanese Joinery: $9.99 at Half, $25 at Abe.

-- Vidi, Vici, Veni ---

Thanks for the info guys. Some books I already know of and some I don't.

Re: Japanese and Chinese furniture. Chinese furniture is very ornate and has lots of relief carvings on the furniture. Whereas Japanese furniture tends to be very simple in comparison.

Layne

Not always - there have been styles were simplicity was almost Japanese-like.

-- Do whales have krillfiles ?

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:15:40 -0800, Layne brought forth from the murky depths:

Did you get the monthly LVT catalog recently? Inside the back cover are some lines of VERY inexpensive tansu hardware. $2 a pop vs. the hand-made $48 hardware from the usual suspects. I guess some of Robin's customers demanded the super-cheap import stuff and they're serving it up now. Perhaps you'll like it more than I do.

Chinese furniture has always had a quaintly Victorian feel to me. Overly ornate; far too much so for my tastes. I prefer the elegant simplicity of Japanese and Mission styles, or the blending of the two. YMMV.

-- Vidi, Vici, Veni ---

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:59:20 +0000, Andy Dingley brought forth from the murky depths:

True, and there were ornate Mission pieces, but each majority held true to their respective pattern.

-- Vidi, Vici, Veni ---

LVT? Larry, can you supply the nonabbreviated version? Always looking for good if not cheap tansu hardware.

Thanks,

Layne

I'm going to assume it's Lee Valley Tools. Most of the people here who use abbreviations get really P.Oed when one of us newbies asks what the hell they're talking about. Since I'm as much in the dark as you, I figure I'll take a guess and save you some grief from the "wreck old-timers" who don't like people asking questions.

SWMBO, BORG, and the like.

Commonly used Acronyms found on Rec.Woodworking

SWMBO - She Who Must Be Obeyed

IMO - In My Opinion

IMHO - In My Humble Opinion

IMNSHO - In My Not So Humble Opinion

TIA - Thanks In Advance

AFAIK - As Far As I Know

IIRC - If I Recall Correctly

BTW - By The Way

:-) - Smile

- Grin

BG - Big Grin

VBG - Very Big Grin

LOL - Laughing Out Loud (and sometimes "lots of luck")

LMAO - Laughing My A** Off

ROTFLMAO - Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A** Off

OBWW - Obligatory WoodWorking (something about woodworking after

discussing something completely NOT related to woodworking)

HD - Home Depot

TS - Table Saw

BS - Band Saw

r.ww - rec.woodworking

Add Big Orange for BORG, LN for Lie Nielson, LV for Lee Valley.

See, that wasn't so bad. I doubt if the old timers were really mad, just acting up . . . :-)

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:56:21 -0800, Layne brought forth from the murky depths:

--== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day --

Addendum:

HFT - Harbor Freight Tools

HF - Harbor Freight

LVT - Lee Valley Tools

DAMHIKT - Don't Ask Me How I Know This

ROTFLSHIAPMP - Rolling on the floor, laughing so hard I almost peed my pants.

The Wreck - the rec.woodworking newsgroup

Wreckers - us'uns

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:16:07 -0600, "Lowell Holmes" brought forth from the murky depths:

--== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day --

I thought it was Lee Valley, but wanted to comfirm.

Thanks Larry,

Layne

Yes, LVT is Lee Valley Tools, SWMBO is "She Who Must Be Obeyed" and BORG is the "Big Orange Retail Giant". Don't feel too bad, I never have been able to figure out (sic) or DAMHIT (actually, I don't think that's right, it's just how I remember it.

Don