Generally, just accessing a web page makes a copy and places it on your
computer. Look in your cache and see just how much stuff is in there.
I doubt anyone would get in trouble for having stuff freely available on
the web on their computer. Selling it, using it publicly and so on
could cause trouble, but simply copying stuff for personal use goes on
just by accessing the page. If you don't want it copied, you probably
shouldn't put it on a publicly accessible web page.
Obama Care: Efficiency of the DMV, compassion of the IRS!
If your neighbors have that same opinion, you probably shouldn't park on
a public street.
Under international law, the copyright exists from the instant of
creation - and it exists without regard to location of its object.
I also lock my car, but locks only keep the honest folks out.
In my case at least, I /intend/ personal use. For other uses, my
protection comes after the fact and offers the advantage of being paid
for by the offender. For more info you can contact
McKee, Voorhees & Sease, PLC
801 Grand Ave, Suite 3200
Des Moines, IA 50309
They're worth every penny of their fees. :)
Had two brother-in-laws who were insurance agents and also
sold a lot of auto insurance.
Would listen to them tell tales of auto theft that were amazing.
Both agreed that if a car thief walked up to your locked car and took
more than two(2) minutes to break in, start up and drive away,
they were still learning the profession.
As Morris said, locks keep honest people honest.
Might work in the boonies, but in a major population center, such as
here in SoCal, they steal to order which usually translates into a
thief who specializes in stealing only certain vehicles.
If they have an order for your vehicle, it's toast.
They could care less about a door lock.
The thief can probably open your car, start it and drive away in less
time than you can open the door and get key in the lock.
Now if he is using a tow truck, that's another story.
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:13:17 -0700, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
Yeah. With the new towtrucks, you back up to the vehicle, press one
single button, and the truck does the rest. You're on your way 18
seconds later. Amazing!
--LJ, who hurt his back attempting to assemble a towing dolly at
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace
will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will
blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy,
while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn.
-- John Muir
I don't even take the keys out.
When I get a new/different vehicle, I take the key off the ring
stick it in switch and that is where it stays, afterall someone might want
to use it.
I do unkey and lock my company vehicle if I'm away from home,
it's not mine and I don't need the grief of letting it get "borrowed".
Are you thinking you broke "international" law when you quoted
(copied/edited) someone's writing in a rec post, or do you think there
is some sort of implied permission to copy this copyrighted material?
I know Google must have copied trillions of copyrighted messages. I
don't recall allowing them to copy any of my messages and putting them
up for all to see, making money from all the ads my stuff is
generating... How about that?
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
He does. So do you. By law in the United States, anything you write is
automatically copyrighted. Your kids' first scribblings are
copyrighted. No action is required. Some additional rights accrue if
you _register_ the copyright, however that is not necessary for a valid
copyright to exist. Everything you or I post to USENET is copyrighted
and if something you posted showed up in a bestseller sometime without
your prior permission being obtained you would probably be able to
On the other hand, quoting on USENET almost certainly falls under "fair
use", and unless somebody has profited significantly from unauthorized
use of your post the chance of obtaining damages sufficient to pay your
legal fees is pretty much zero.
Copying for "personal use" is in any case not necessarily precluded by
copyright, depending on what exactly you are copying and on the nature
of the "personal use"--it comes under "fair use" and "fair use" is a
minefield for both the holder of the copyright and the person making the
copy, because it's almost all case law and there's a lot of it, some of
which is probably contradictory.
If you can find the author or webmaster's e-mail address, you can ask
before downloading the site. If you can find it... Most webmasters have
removed their e-mail addresses due to the amount of spam, and don't check
the webmaster@ e-mail address (again, due to spam.)
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
That's true - if the author can't be asked for permission and permission
isn't explicitly granted on the web site, then there is no permission.
The spammers have worked hard to be a problem. Since I /want/ feedback,
I've implemented a solution that works for me - I've put an e-mail link
on (I think) every one of my web pages that provides a subject
appropriate to that page - and most of those subject lines contain some
keyword that expresses that e-mail past the server filters. Since the
spambots universally disregard the subject portion of the link, the
strategy has worked fairly well.
Jeff: So glad to have what you so freely share and I highly value
accessable. Many thanks.
I started this thread and, since I've lurked about on the rec long
enough to know better, I'm not surprised to see the direction it
took. I'm not interested in debating intellectural property and
copyright protection. Actually, I'm interested in woodworking. One
day I hope to acquire the necessary skill and have the time to post
web pages showing my shop, my projects, my jigs, etc. I have
thoroughly enjoyed these posts from others who have freely shared
their experiences. I have learned a lot and expect to learn more.
When I do post, I expect anyone who sees my postings to be able to
copy, save, share and use what they see and enhance their wood working
experiences. I would also like feedback and a "thank you", but that's
not neither necessary nor expected.
As I've said before, I've lerned an awful lot because others have
taken the time to post and, kinda like a debt, I expect to contribute
back some as well. I see this group like I see my wood working club.
A collection of folk who will freely share their skills and teach
I am a hobbiest. Perhaps, if I did this for a living, I might not
want to share info so freely, but I expect I would not enjoy this
endevour as much.
So again, I'm sad to see some of the quality sites slip away and I
celebrate the opportunity to visit great sites (like Jeff's) that are
"here and now".
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