I had occasion today to look at all the links I've saved on other people's workshops. Many, many dead links.
A sad goodbye to Howard Ruttan who often posted great things.
So sad to not be able to connect with Ken Vaughn's pages. Really a wealth of info now not available.
Take heed and make a permanent copy of the valuable things you find.
Bill
I've been wondering about Ken. He, like me, hasn't posted here for quite awhile. I wonder if his site is just down or something more permanent has happened...
You can always try the internet archive at archive.org. They might have saved a usable copy.
If it looks like it has value, steal it?
I think the sentiments were to keep things from becoming lost...as the publisher would probably would have liked.
And so before the author has a chance to expire, you would steal his work - just in case he made no provision for its continued publication?
It's theft, and it honors no one.
Maybe we're talking about two different things. I have never been to the site under discussion. But if I had investment myself in constructing a site, I would like it to have as much permanence as possible--sort of like planting a tree. I'm not talking about anything that has to do with theft...I'm talking about preservation. Do you think people write books mostly for the money (not in my field of expertise they don't...lol)?
It's fairly common practice for Youtubers to encourage others to copy and repost their videos in order to prevent their permanent removal.
But Youtubers don't expect to profit by sales of their work.
Morris Dovey wrote in news:hpm4j5$hup$1 @speranza.aioe.org:
If you can find the author or webmaster's e-mail address, you can ask before downloading the site. If you can find it... Most webmasters have removed their e-mail addresses due to the amount of spam, and don't check the webmaster@ e-mail address (again, due to spam.)
Puckdropper
If you don't want it copied, then copyright it. If you don't want it copied for Personal use, don't put it on a public web site.
I understand the desire to preserve that which one values...
...and I maintain that taking someone else's property without their permission and without an exchange of value for value, is theft.
Under international law, the right to make copies of authored (drawn, sculpted, photographed, composed, recorded,...) materials is the property of the creator from the very instant of creation.
Opinions on an author's motivation have no relevance, and calling theft "preservation" doesn't change its nature.
In my experience, fewer than one in a thousand of those who "value" work sufficiently to want to "preserve" it, value it enough even to say "Thank you for showing it to me."
If your neighbors have that same opinion, you probably shouldn't park on a public street.
Under international law, the copyright exists from the instant of creation - and it exists without regard to location of its object.
I wasn't talking about those high-volume sexy sites. ; ) As an example, don't you think that the content of all of the "What is it?" threads should be formally archived? Most of the folks at the sites that I go to are pretty respectful folks.
Theft strikes me as an especially poor way to show respect, regardless of who's doing the stealing and who they're stealing from.
I don't normally see the "What is it?" threads - my filters are set up to mark those posts as read (not killed, but read) because they're too distracting for me. If you think they should be archived then you should perhaps be corresponding with Rob - and discussing with /him/ how to make doing so worth his time, effort, and server space (and/or offering him /your/ time, effort, and server space) to set up and maintain that archive.
I think most folks /are/ essentially honest and respectful of others - and I don't have much use for those who aren't.
"Bill Leonhardt" wrote
Although my site never quite died, I made it fade away for a while.
Folk who like to list useful links might like to know that I've recently restored it, somewhat edited, to its former state.
Jeff
That's true - if the author can't be asked for permission and permission isn't explicitly granted on the web site, then there is no permission.
The spammers have worked hard to be a problem. Since I /want/ feedback, I've implemented a solution that works for me - I've put an e-mail link on (I think) every one of my web pages that provides a subject appropriate to that page - and most of those subject lines contain some keyword that expresses that e-mail past the server filters. Since the spambots universally disregard the subject portion of the link, the strategy has worked fairly well.
I lock my car. You?
If you put it on a web site open to the public, you have no protection from Personal use. Zero.
Generally, just accessing a web page makes a copy and places it on your computer. Look in your cache and see just how much stuff is in there. I doubt anyone would get in trouble for having stuff freely available on the web on their computer. Selling it, using it publicly and so on could cause trouble, but simply copying stuff for personal use goes on just by accessing the page. If you don't want it copied, you probably shouldn't put it on a publicly accessible web page.
Are you thinking you broke "international" law when you quoted (copied/edited) someone's writing in a rec post, or do you think there is some sort of implied permission to copy this copyrighted material?
I know Google must have copied trillions of copyrighted messages. I don't recall allowing them to copy any of my messages and putting them up for all to see, making money from all the ads my stuff is generating... How about that?
So, Google is not your friend? I'm certain they are archiving all that stuff, and this stuff, and all w/o permission, at least I don't recall giving them permission, or you permission, to copy anything I write in the Rec.
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