I don't think there's anything wrong with it performance-wise, I'm still
amazed how much reconstitution seemed to occur in the jug here simply
from the inversion overnight. I've not gone back to look after it's sat
again a few days now...
While it's surely a pit*proverbial*a*ppendage* to actually stir in any
of the containers, it'd seem that should be the "gar-on-teed" way to
extend the useful life...
I'd gone thru an previous gallon during the barn project, but that went
back 15 yr ago or so and apparently it was used quickly enough so never
saw the symptoms before mentioned here to go check the now-getting-dated
That's a perfect test, much better than reading about it, even from the
manufacturer who often will shorten life expectations for a myriad of
When I first started my cabinet shop, I was using all sorts of
ridiculous fastening techniques when edge gluing boards. Full length
splines, T&G, half lapped, even 3 foot all-threads through my butcher
block work bench top.
Then I read somewhere (way before the internet existed) that the glue
joints were stronger than the wood. I did a similar test as yours, and
discovered they were right, and the joints would rip out chunks of wood
rather than along a glue line.
From then on I've been happily gluing up wide boards from narrow boards
with just a few clamps and glue. Never once had a failure in 40-50
years. I still have the workbench top with the all-threads bolts
pretending to hold it together, and I smile every time I look at those
bolts and the needless effort that went into putting them in.
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 6:54:25 PM UTC-4, Larry Blanchard wrote:
Since you were the one that started the "Titebond III" thread back in 2014,
basically asking the exact same question that I just asked, what do you
think of what I show in the images from post #2 of this thread?
Are you still finding the III to be a whole lot runnier than the II or do
I have bad bottle?
You are correct in your assumptions and about what you have read.
BUT talking to the Franklin home office rep he says that bumping or
shaking the glue will not restore the glue. It has to be stirred.
The shaking as you mentioned is for restoring the glue to a more liquid
state providing what you are shaking is not mostly the settled
ingredient to extend open time. If the glue is too thin to begin with
it has to be remixed by stiring. If you are stiring a partially used
bottle it may be too late.
Just like TBIII fails real world water proof tests, they fail to say you
need to stir and that the glue is not real world water proof. That
would hinder sales of the product.
Their water proof classification by industry standards mentions nothing
about being water proof in the analysis, only in the title of the
classification. That may have changed but that is how it was shortly
after TBIII was introduced and tested by a woodworking magazine. TBII
actually tested better than TBIII in their tests when exposed to water.
Correct, when fresh out of the factory. Let TBIII sit on the shelf for
a year or so and the and the heavy ingredients in the bottle settle to
the bottom and the top half becomes runny.
According to Franklin/TiteBond the TBIII and the Extend have an additive
that settles to the bottom of the bottle. When it settles the glue is
thinner. I had a gallon of Extend and it was runny too. Once just past
half way through the gallon the glue was more like pudding.
They shipped me a replacement.
I make it a habit to reach to the back of the display of glue and if any
has dust on it I pass. This stuff has a short shelf life because of the
It is a shame that it is almost impossible to get these glues quickly
after manufacture since placed like Woodcraft and HD buy in bulk.
NO! I have a relatively new quart of TBIII and it is relatively thick
and Because of the additive that extends the open time it should be
thick and not runny.
I am probably going to go back to TBII because of this. I prefer to buy
in Gallons but that does me no good if I can't use the whole thing.
OTOH, I've routinely kept gallon jug for year or more after a spate of
heavy work that was then idle and it seems just fine...for the T's II
and III. I've even thinned "plain ol'" yellow glue that has gotten a
little thick and never had joint failures with it as long as it is still
at least running...
Well, heck, let's just go look -- I'm pretty sure the TB III jug is
downstairs not out in the barn...
Huh! Pulled out the plug that had formed in the top and lo! and behold!
there was a later of water on the top and the bottom third is
essentially all the solids...still good color all way through but it'll
need to sit in the paint shaker it appears before use.
No date code I could decipher but it's probably 2 yr old since this one
was purchased if my recollection is at all right...as 'spearmint I
turned it over...we'll see if it'll improve any overnight.
Current lot numbering system is a 10 digit code. The format is: aymmddbat#.
The "a" stands for Made in the U.S.A. The "y" is the last digit of the year
of manufacture. Digits "mm" represent the month, and "dd" represent the day
of the month. The final four digits represent the batch number used for
quality control purposes. Therefore, a product with the lot number
A104270023 was manufactured on April 27, 2011.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 9:04:19 PM UTC-4, Spalted Walt wrote:
If the date code on the bottle I just bought is what I think it is, the
the bottle is no more than 196 days old.
I can't read the month, but the year appears to be 6 and the day 24. If
it's this runny after a max shelf time of less than 7 months, they have
a real problem with their product.
This link is safe. Copied/pasted. :-)
And according to Franklyn April 27, 2011 is 3 years past prime
condition. IIRC they suggest not using glue 2 years past the date code.
and that is unfortunate because it is often hard to find glue in the
store that is not already 6~12 months old, essentially cutting the
useful period, for the end user, in half.
From what I understand the settled ingredient does not affect the
strength of the glue. BUT that settlement is what extends the open time
of the glue. If it settles out and it does not get mixed in the glue
will have a shorter open time.
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