RE: O/T: And Now You Know

Dec 24, 2014 56 Replies

Ralph's is a SoCal grocery chain that was purchased a few years ago by Kroger, a grocery chain based in Cincinnati, Ohio.



At first the changes in ownership were few and subtle starting with private label canned products such as tomatoes being introduced.



Recently have noticed the introduction of Kroger brand red meats such as sausage.



Today, I stopped at Ralph's to get a ham, packed by a local packing house, which was on sale.



Unfortunately, they were out of stock, but they did offer a rain check, which I accepted.



What was in stock, at a significantly higher price, was a SugarDale ham.



I did a double take since SugarDale is a meat packer located in Canton, Ohio, some 2,500 miles away from Los Angeles.



When I lived in NorthEast Ohio, SugarDale had a major portion of the market including my business so I was comfortable with the brand.



Buying a SugarDale product in Los Angeles meant there was some serious shipping involved.



Makes you think about all those 18 wheelers traversing those interstates.



Lew


All it takes is one rail car full and it goes into the local store house that serves the region. Let trucks do the short haul.

Martin

On 12/23/2014 8:35 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: ...

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Pales in comparison to shipping Australian beef in...or US beef/pork to Japan/China...

National Beef here ships 90% of "specialty cuts" to Japan from SW KS.

What do you suppose is in all of those other trucks Lew?

FWIW way over here in east Texas we get a load of products from California. I know this because everything from California has a cancer warning label.

On 12/24/2014 8:58 AM, Leon wrote: ...

Not necessarily from CA at all; manufacturers put the CA-silliness labels on all their product because it's cheaper than having multiple labels and keeping track of what gets shipped where...

Oh, so California has mad this a problem for the whole country.

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Ayup...and it's only getting worse with their new rules for "importing" eggs as just a starting point...

When the San Andreas fault lets go at 9.something, California will no longer be a problem. If it stays above water, it will be an island. Probably useful as a prison island, as there will be no fresh water other than captured rainwater - but they probably don't allow that...

snipped-for-privacy@wizardanswers.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

My perception of California and the fault line has been ruined by the Superman movie. I just can't think of the two together without thinking about all the land in New Mexico and Arizona I should be buying. ;-)

Puckdropper

----------------------------------------------------------------------- Since the port of Los Angeles/Long Beach is the largest port of entry into the USA, the answer would be almost anything found on the shelves of the big box stores.

What is amazing is to see one of those unit trains heading east out across the California desert.

I'm guessing that those trains are at least a half mile long.

They are visible from several miles and almost give the appearance of being a model train layout.

After that, it would be the food grown in the central valley headed east to the markets.

Lew

I bet that is a site to see.. I have seen long line trains in the middle of nowhere in west Texas and probably 100 car plus trains making round trip journeys hauling coal from Wyoming to a coal fired electric plant just SW of Houston.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:549b2a33$0$44734 $c3e8da3$ snipped-for-privacy@news.astraweb.com:

9,000 to 10,000 feet would be typical for a train on the western railroads. If it's bulk, like coal, 10,000 tons; if it's cans (intermodal containers) maybe 6,000 tons or less.

And yes, when you see one of those double-stack container trains in open country like the desert, it looks like the Great Wall of China moving across the landscape.

John

100-car trains (mostly container an car transporter) aren't uncommon around here (Atlanta) at all. I'd guess the average is 80ish (I often count when I'm waiting for one). Long trains make money.

On 12/25/2014 9:48 AM, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote: ...

We're on mainline of UP and they run 'em as long as they have necessary siding space for...at the moment they're averaging 18 long-route thru trains daily...making for a lot of time at the crossing on main street; fortunately they did build one overpass on east side of town a number of years ago when rerouted the NS highway around town...

A number of years back on a trip to the west coast we saw numerous trains of over 200 cars - coal, grain, oil, lumber, automobiles, containers - You name it - it was on those trains.Going both directions too.

Never lived there have you.

The Pacific plate contains mountains in northern and southern Ca. And that plate is slipping North. SO when Mexico is west of Oregon, Where the induction crease is, and what amount of Ca is under the volcanoes that run along the pacific northwest we can talk about CA slipping. That is in time for the Sun to expand beyond our orbit anyway.

Martin - lived on the Pacific Plate, worked on the North American Plate for 17 years and three or so in So Ca working and living on the Pacific Plate.

There is a neat mountain (rocky) that was split in two. One part is

400 miles north of the other. Both are parks and have real time drums inking lines waiting for any movement. I was there when Loma went up and the country called it San Fran earth quake. Loma was 70 miles south and 4 miles from our old house (lived through it)...

Martin

This town is on the UP going from Houston to Dallas for east/west and on north as needed. I don't live very close, but want to say we have 8 every 24 hours. Many petrochemical and containers.

Martin

snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

As dpb noted above, the limiting factor on train length is the length of the passing sidings, which are typically

9,000 to 10,000 feet long. Canadian National is the exception, as they have found a way to schedule long trains to pass only at railyards where they have extra space. So those 200 car trains were almost certainly on CN.

There's considerable debate in the industry whether trains of over 10,000 feet actually provide any advantage.

John

The long coal trains in west Texas someone mentioned travel on parallel tracks so they don't have to worry about sidings and such unless there is a derailment or breakdown.

"G. Ross" wrote in news:36idnbiF8tme8gDJnZ2dnUU7-U- snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

Actually, that's not so - slower trains, such as coal trains, need to be overtaken by faster trains (container trains, passenger trains if it happens to be a line with Amtrak service, etc). Having double track makes life easier, but it doesn't eliminate the need for sidings.

John

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