probably not, but your could chop (lightly!) and lever out the waste with a
chisel and save the last
pass for the router plane.
In my neandering they were once called a hags tooth or the router
plane. ;-) i had to look up the 71 1/2.
yes the body of the scraper plane only really replaces what you would
do by hand if that's all you had. also too the scraper plane regulates the
depth of cut while hand scraping flat sawn open grained woods can leave
a scoured out finish to them, the plane body takes care of this.
softwoods don't scrape well, and often soft hardwoods don't either, like
some species of mahog. sometimes too the wood barely scrapes because it's
quite hard enough and leaves a cheesy smear looking cut.
One of the nicer things you can do for yourself if you're going to use
scrapers is to get the Veritas dial-a-curl burnisher. I used to believe
conventional wisdom that softwoods were unscrapeable until I got one.
As to planing, softwoods are "easier" right up until you run your plane over
a resin pocket or oozing knot, then they get downright difficult.
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:17:02 GMT, Chris Merrill
One use, certainly. The #71 1/2 is better for this than the #71,
which tends to "fall into the throat" when working on narrow stock.
Personally I rarely use mine, preferring the little #271
You might do it on pressed steel hinges, probably not for thicker
brass ones. I use it as much as a depth gauge as anything - set it to
the finished depth, then take the first cut or two without pressing
the sole entirely flat.
More or less. Much depends on the size of the hook you form, and the
angle you hold it at. There's a lot of variation between how you use
It might approach that if you had a large hook and in soft timber.
Generally scrapers work more reliably with a smaller hook (or a square
edge) and better with a larger hook (or not at all). If you make the
hook progressively bigger, then it makes shavings that are more and
more like curlies (which is good), but it gets fussier about the
timber it will do them on (which is bad). Some timbers (exotics) will
never make shavings. Softwoods will easily tend to make big curly
things, but then the surface quality may start to suffer.
If you have the time, look up the difference between Type I and Type
II chips. Try Hoadley or the Wood Products handbook (you get pictures
Planes (when correctly adjusted and working along the grain) produce a
Type II chip. There is an angled plane of shear ahead of the cutting
edge, where the chip is deflected in a smooth curve. Cutting across
the grain, as when trimming a shoulder, is a Type III chip. Chip
formation is by compression, more than by tensile failure. For
scrapers, Type II are the curlies, Type III is the dust.
The transition between these two formation mechanisms depends on the
ratio between tensile strength along the cleavage plane and
compression strength normal to the face of the edge. Using a blunt
angled edge (like a scraper) rotates the cleavage plane forwards,
increasing the effective tensile strength (along the fibres, not
between them). Working cross-grain has a similar effect - reducing the
compressive strength (across the fibres, rather than along them). No
matter what you use as an edge here, you're into Type III chips.
Not surprisingly, the Type III chip is an ugly thing. A thick one is
prone to tearout. To keep them under control and leave a good surface,
they must be thin. This is done by either taking a thin shaving (as
scrapers do) or by using a narrow mouth (as shoulder planes do).
If you mis-adjust the chip breaker, then you'll get a Type I chip. The
timber splits ahead of the blade and the chip doesn't curve until long
behind the edge, where it bends in a series of catastrophic breaks.
It won't hurt anything to try (on scrap). Personally, my #71 sees
the most use for leveling stopped grooves and dados that I have begun
with a chisel, drill and/or handsaw. They are reasonably similar
operations, but for a hinge, you need to be really precise, and I find
that the #71 is not the most precise tool around.
Right. They may be a bit thicker than the typical card scraper's
shavings, but shoud be lighter than a bench-plane's.
IME, softwoods plane beautifully, but scrape poorly. Hardwoods may
or may not plane well; it depends on the wood and the figure of the
grain. But the nice thing is that most hardwoods that are difficult
to plane do scrape nicely.
Another thing to consider when you are using a card scraper is the
angle at which you approach the work. You should be able to get
shavings with a fairly high angle of attack. If you are having to
hold the scraper at a very low angle to the wood, you may have put too
big a hook on the scraper's edge, so it won't engage the wood until
you tilt the scraper way forward.
You might want to play around with putting different degrees of
hooks on different edges of the scraper. I usually put a fairly
aggressive hook on one edge, and then go progressively lighter until
the last edge has just the slightest hint of a hook.
This gives you several choices depending on the wood and what you
hope to achieve.
firstname.lastname@example.org (Peter Ashby) wrote in message
I don't know if anyone has said it isn't possible/practical. I do
know that softwoods tend to come out looking "fuzzy" when scraped.
Also, woods like SYP that have great variations in hardness between
the annual rings can look bad, as the curlies from the harder wood are
pushed across the softwood and leave little furrows.
And softwoods plane so easily and look so nice from a plane that
going to a scraper is simply a waste of time in most cases. (Besides,
the finish a scraper leaves is not as nice as a planed surface, IME.)
A couple of light passes with a smoother and you're set.
Knots are a whole different thing, as they are more like endgrain
than facegrain, and a scraper will help clean up the tearout that you
usually get as you plane across the far side of a knot where the grain
reverses. But even in those cases, if you use a circular motion when
planing up to the knot, you can avoid tearout and get a fine surface
on the knot. (Low angle planes are especially handy for this.)
Don't get me wrong, I love my scrapers and scraper planes, and use
them when they are called for. But most of the time with softwoods,
they are simply unnecessary, and in fact they detract from the surface
you can get with a plane.
Just say (tmPL) Of course there are exceptions to all of this.
I have some "guato" pine from Mexico that is almost as dense and hard
as maple, and has a fair amount of figure to it. Scrapers work
beautifully on this stuff.
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