I'm sure they build up the entire process and publicize it to hell,
but it still comes down to a family in dire need. And very possibly,
you might finish up with feeling great in the end. I can't envision
any real problem.
That would cause more problems that it solves. How much do you pay? Do you
pay the unskilled volunteer as much as the pro? Who keeps track of all the
people and time and expense of it all? All the materials are donated as is
the labor, the builder's time etc. If not for ABC/Disney, it would not be
possible at all to do this in the first place. There may be some legal
If you pay one volunteer $5, then you start a nasty chain reaction. Why
should I donate material if they can pay the workers?
What is wrong with giving some time anyway?
Sears and CVS seem to be two of the biggest donors and I commend them for
Aren't you leaving out one important fact? That fact is the needy
family that gets the house.
Yup, all the businesses involved are profiting in some way. No
argument about that. But, someone who needs it is also benefiting. The
volunteers get a feeling of doing something good and everybody is
happy. Compare that to those 'profiting' businesses just paying some
corporate advertising agency and you're left with two outfits that
profit and everybody else gets nothing. You tell me which is
preferable? If it helps you, the Home Makeover show is less
hypocritical than just two companies doing some advertising business.
They are not actors, they are not usually on the "set" aside for a few.
Paying them scale would put the project out of reach.
I don't know the actual number, but the volunteers are about 10X in numbers.
More added burden. Ty mentioned tonight they have given 50,000 T shirts to
date. Tha tis a lot of people to track and pay. Could easily at $10,000,000
total cost, maybe more.
Actually it is. I happen to be doing some business with one of the builders
that did a house last season. The builde ris not paid, they donate. As the
builder, he had to solicit materials from the suppliers or pay out of his
pocket. He told me that he went to people like Pella and asked for a
donation and the only info he could give at that time was the project was in
thier sales territory. The actual location was not yet disclosed. I also
know the company that did the paving in last weeks house in CT and Vinnie
donated everything. My workman's comp insurance carrier is the same as used
on the job sites also. They donate their time at the job site.
For the most part, yes. There is a lot of stuff donated and not given
credit. See the above about the paving at the CT house. Vinnie's company
was not mentioned at all, nor did they show his trucks, crew, or equiipment.
I did not stop the final credits to see if there was a mention in the fine
print, but the viewer did not see it just watching the show.
Sure it may be "possible" but have you seen it done? Neither have I.
The fact that I mention it means nothing. It is obvious to anyone watching
hte show two times that they are heavily involved. That does not mean they
are paid. Yes, there may be some promotional consideration, but I'm not
privy to that, nor do I care.
I have no idea what they give or do not give. Do you have evidence of
I bet if they said "here comes the well paid workers" the ratings would
actually go down. Volunteering makes people feel good and people like to
Why not? You're not against capitalism, you're against extreme
examples of capitalism? Volunteering or not, there's always somebody
or some company that profits, usually big profits. Absolutely nothing
new there. It happens all the time.
Taking an extreme example, a 'run for cancer'. Whether they're visible
or not, there's always a dozen companies in the background who profit.
At least with volunteering, the volunteers leave happy and feel like
they've made a contribution. Ok, they're living under an illusion.
Whatever you want to call it, *That's* their payment. Would you have
all the volunteers instead be paid subsistence wages like the
employees at a Walmart? Then they *would* feel used because they know
when it comes to absolute value, their work is worth much more than
I'm not quite sure what you're hung up on Mike, but it's your choice
to feel that way. I'm just confused as to why you sound so angry about
Considering the limitations of this medium, I'll concede the fact that
you might not be angry and I'm mistaken. BUT, your use of the word
hypocrisy and milking it for ratings certainly doesn't mean you're
dancing a jig of happiness. I think I can say without too much chance
of error, that you've been very critical of the whole show, Disney in
I think you'll agree that there's nothing new about companies making
money, many times on the back of volunteers. With all the thousands
of such instances happening daily in capitalist America, you appear to
be selecting this instance out for singular criticism. That being
said, I'll ask why one more time.
Please don't shout at me or berate me. I'm on the verge of tears again
and I'm tired of crying. :)
They often have hundreds of volunteers on those jobs and SAG extras get
$115/day, you're talking a lot of money. There is also the initiation fee
for SAG which can run well over $2,000 for some locals, plus dues, plus
adherence to a big fat union rulebook which covers a zillion things like
travel and insurance and dressing rooms and meal breaks and on and on. And
then there would be residual payments every time the EMHE episode was
re-broadcast--all things considered making thousands of volunteers SAG
members would be problematic, and if they're being paid then they would have
to join the union.
Of course it's donated, that the major sponsors get plenty of on-air mention
of their support doesn't alter the fact that nobody writes a check for the
materials or whatever they contribute.
Yes, but so what? If you donate to a charity it's still a donation despite
you being able to claim it on your taxes. That the donor gets some benefit
doesn't mean it isn't a donation.
If it weren't such a public exercise they wouldn't attract the support they
do. Sure, companies are getting publicity in exchange for their sponsorship
and donations, but if that weren't happening then they wouldn't be making
those donations and those houses for deserving families wouldn't be built.
The bottom line for me is they're helping people who often deserve help,
i.e. who have taken in handicapped kids or who are fighting to improve their
community or whatever. So Sears and Ford and so on get some advertising
value out of it, I'd rather have them sponsor this show than some idiot
series about teen vampires or celebrities in rehab.
I have other problems with the show, like the excessive scale of many of the
homes they build which has apparently led to some folks being unable to
handle the greatly increased property taxes. I also preferred when they did
some rebuilds rather than tear-downs, and they show so little construction
these days that the house might as well have been rolled off the back of a
truck already finished.
I also don't care for the totally phony premise that the family doesn't know
they've been chosen until they hear their names being called over Ty's
bullhorn--hogwash. If you pay attention you can occasionally see wireless
mic packs on some family members as they run out of their old house
screaming, obviously they already knew what was up. The audition tapes that
went from being amateur to professional in quality are also suspicious.
It's also clear that if the family is being sent outside the country on
vacation while the house is being built then somebody had to make sure they
had passports, they had to get time off work, demo and building permits
needed to be pulled, materials ordered, professionals lined up, inspectors
arranged, neighbors alerted in some cases--in whole the notion that the
family is surprised to see that bus outside is not tenable. Still, I enjoy
the show, it's nice to see a popular program that doesn't glorify
unrestrained greed for a change.
Most of the families need help. A few though, just seemed to negegted their
own house and let it fall apart around them. I agree on the size too. The
go from tiny to something huge to take care of.
According to my source, the family is told they are a finalist, one of three
in the area that may be chosen. This allows the planning crew to have
access. They may know before the bus pulls up, but only by a very short
time. They have to meet certain guidlines in awarding the prize to be a
charitable setup for the show.
I like it when they help families that have sacrificed their own comfort to
help others. On the other hand the family that had ended up with a pile of
kids because two divorced people got married and brought all their rug-rats
with them--not so much.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. I read an article about the show where Ty
and the rest tried to stick to the story that it's all a surprise, and
clearly it couldn't be. However they did explain those in-ear monitors Ty
wears are so the producer can coach him on things to say while they're
taping, helps keeps the emotions spontaneous and cuts costs so they don't
have to re-shoot scenes.
they pay the taxes and such for the first year. they also give them access
to accountants, lifestyle coaches, etc and attempt to teach them how to deal
with the good fortune as well as the mundane things (paying for utilities,
upkeep, maintenance, etc). they've said that they keep a good eye on things
for that first year, but after that....
there was a couple with a bunch of kids who had this done in gilbert az had
a couple brushes with foreclosure, but finally went under a few months ago.
cave creek, az
I've not asked him about that. He was the construction manager for the
builder on the job. I did read a while back that the house is leased to the
homeowner to get around the tax, but I don't know that for fact.
Do you think if you cannot afford to repair your 1000 sq. ft. house you can
easily afford the utilities on a 4000 sq. ft. palace? And the taxes that go
with it? Depending on where you live, I can see some of these places
costing $1000+ a month just in real estate taxes and astronomical heating
Some of the recipients certainly need help and are in trouble through no
fault of their own. A few though, seemed so intent on doing some other
charitable work that they just neglected to take care of the property they
own. Of course, we never know all the details .
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