Anyone know anything about one of these ante-diluvian combination
It seems there's one nearby looking for a home, and there's a
possibility of converting it for use in chairmaking. This means
reworking the motor drive, rebuilding a few Babbitt bearings (which is
why I've been aproached) and probably abandoning the planer and
sawbench. This would leave a large bandsaw, a horizontal borer and a
horizontal round tenoner. I'll need to meet modern safety standards
for guarding, and quite probably a mechanical brake. I assume the
planer and sawbench are simply beyond hope for achieving this.
Google and the OWWM site have shown nothing on one of these, and
hardly anything on its cousin(?) the Planing Mill. Here in the UK
they're _really_ rare.
I was hoping to finally see a square-head planer, but as these things
were built in the '20s (?) I guess they're too late.
I have seen a couple of them. The belts are all 2" canvas/leather and
completely unguarded. They will be a real bear to guard to modern
standards. The bandsaw may or maynot have some basic guards, but you
can build them if missing. The shafts on the borer and tenoner are also
unguarded. Just about any moving part is open to the world. I'd love
to have one to play with, but not in a commercial shop. With any luck,
some of the work may already be done for you. Good luck.
Sorry, off topic for this thread:
Hey Andy there's some free Alder, fresh cut, in Derby as announced in
rec.crafts.woodturning. Thread is Is 'Alder good for turning?' Steve Bak.
I imagine that is Derbyshire, long drive? If you go there you could visit
Griffiths Engineering too! http://www.lathes.co.uk/ Nothing could stop
me from going there.
So, I got to see the beastie.
Until some time in the '60s, this machine was in regular use. But
times change, and a not unreasonable trend towards guarding the
whirling bits took it out of service. So it was placed in an old shed
and left to moulder.
Fourty years later and I disturbed the cobwebs to dig it out.
As far as I can tell, the combination machine is really two machines
on the same wooden frame. There's a lineshaft driven input shaft, then
two separate belt-driven shafts at different speeds. The high speed
shaft is the planer and sawbench, the low speed shaft the bandsaw,
horizontal borer and tenoner. There's a steel angle subframe holding
the tables up, but beneath that is a chunky timber frame and that's
well rotten by now. The wooden runners for the old sliding tables (?)
for bringing wheels and rims (?) up to the borer are just a memory.
All three shafts run on chunky Babbitt bearings. Which are wrecked. I
wonder if these were ever used after the demise of the wooden frame ?
By the looks of them, the shafts had had enormous runout when they
were in use, as the bearings themselves look like the insides of a
So, the plan is to reconstruct the bandsaw, borer and tenoner. Major
rebuilding and guarding will be needed, but it's eminently practical.
I don't think there's any hope of getting the sawbench / planer
working to modern standards, but it looks as if these will simply
unbolt ("bolting" being something of a vague notion in the current
The bandsaw is large, although the frame is on the definitely skimpy
side; narrow cast iron above, bolted steel and timber below, with some
rather flexible joints. I think that old standby, the 2" x 1" box
section steel will be in much demand.
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