OT way OT but GOOD for Mom!

He's been charged with murder, not convicted. A trial will decide intent and guilt. Don't get your knickers in a twist :-).

Leon wrote in news:MMydnd35NaBz snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

The guy who got angry at me for barely bumping the rear wheel of the bike he was pushing on the sidewalk threw his slize of pizza at me. I guess I was lucky he didn't have a gun or knife and that he was restrained by the streetvendors. I think there is a difference in the effects of a slice of pizza and a gun though.

I have no objection tosomeone having a gun, IF they know how to handle it responsibly. The fact that now anyone who really wants it can get a gun without anyone checking on him is what makes it scary for me. I really think that should be made more difficult, and that both the buyer and seller should face the consequences of an illegal act.

As I said, a different subject, but one of the facets of a less lawful society.

We have gone over the aspects that the law of felony murder is likely because of deterrence, and to get the guy who had been stirring up the trouble and was "smart" enough to let someone else do the deed.

Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

That's what usenet is for!!!

Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

That was only because he got too arrgant and stupid.

Yeah! LOL

Han wrote in news:Xns9FD362DCF9CAFikkezelf@216.151.153.71:

Largely because of our absurd policy of jailing people for using drugs, or for possessing small amounts for personal use.

Actually I do not believe he has been charged for murder at all, I think that was suggested by a someone that had heard something that some one said that oddly the media has not got wind of and yet seems to be common knowledge only here in this group. ;~)

Damn, I just knew that was too easy.

Verily.

-- Worry is a misuse of imagination. -- Dan Zadra

Doug Miller wrote in news:Xns9FD39B22E4186dougmilmaccom@127.0.0.1:

I was born in Holland, so follow with some interest the Amsterdam experiences. It does turn out only semi-beneficial to allow low-level drugs. One bad aspect is the riffraff drugtourists coming in. That causes troubles in tourist areas (not only Amsterdam). Another is the "gateway" to small-time and not so smalltime transgressions of the law in other areas, hard(er) drugs, prostitution and human trafficking. So I haven't reall formed a hard opinion, but I think that somewhere there should be a definite and definitive border beyond which it is a real bad crime. But, yes, it would likely be beneficial to drug users and society as a whole if personal drug use would be allowed, and somehow regulated and taxed.

YMMV!

Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

"Prosecutors have instead charged the intruder's alleged accomplice, 29- year-old Dustin Stewart, with first-degree murder in the death of his friend, Justin Shane Martin, 24." A news report, so not authoritative ...

The second perp need to be punished, and heavily.

If I were the DA, I'd have that mindset going into it, then let the facts bring it into focus. I'd want to get the guy on tape as to what his mindset was at the time of the incident. Who brought whom into the picture, what they were planning, etc. If he wanted to rape the woman and got the dumb moose to break the door in for him, I'd want him hung (or better.)

-- Worry is a misuse of imagination. -- Dan Zadra

Humm... we'll now see if it makes it to court.

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But, yes, it would likely be beneficial to drug users and society

Do to Denver, you may buy your drugs there with the good graces of law enforcement.

One word - INTENT. If the intent was to kill the guy, it's the same as breaking i to the trailer if the guy dies breaking in.

A more likely charge in the cliff incident would be manslaughter or criminal negligence causing death.

Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

Oops. For the record, I use medications, not what generally is thought of as drugs. The silly giggling of a friend smoking something made the decision for me. The smell of marihuana smoke in the rest room closest to my lab in the VA clinched it.

To each his own. I have no objection to you smoking or whatever the lesser stuff, as long as you don't commit crimes getting it, or drive while under the influence.

Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

That's a whole other kettle of fish ...

Only if "felonious intent" - like trying to ram someone, or escape police pursuit.

Prove intent. Reasonable doubt.

Get a good lawyer

Hey, this is USENET, not a court of law. Kangaroos are allowed.

-- Worry is a misuse of imagination. -- Dan Zadra