OT way OT but GOOD for Mom!

Good point. Guns are like cats - one is never enough (in parts of the deep South, it's dogs).

Now my current squeeze has only one gun (a .38 derringer she carries in her purse and yes, she has a concealed handgun license). But she as access to MY guns - there's a handgun in almost every room. So I guess sharing counts, too.

I stand corrected again. DAMN! And I verified with my wife who is an enforcement office for the state comptrollers office. Perhaps in the last 32 years the term has changed.

There you go!

I have no sympathy for the dude, but that's the kind of ridiculous overreaching by prosecutors that defies logic and commonsense.

Asshat lawyers ...

Ed Pawlowski wrote the following:

It's not always a decision. It's more likely instinct and training. You second guess the decision later. I too, have never taken a life, and for that I am grateful. My last job required that I carry a gun, and I did for 38 years.

Great to hear!

That's why I put (possible) in there. Many of the home invasions (and hot prowls, where they know people are home when they break in) are done by groups, so they cover the house and exits, using them as entries when the scared homeowners try to flee.

-- It takes as much energy to wish as to plan. --Eleanor Roosevelt

Unfortunately, many people do. They get one, have the single training session (IF their state requires that) and sock "it" away for a rainy day. The rest of us have fun with "them", right?

-- It takes as much energy to wish as to plan. --Eleanor Roosevelt

Hey Larry, I agree with you but I read it was 2 people - 2 ain't several :-).

I live in a state without a castle law. But you can bet I'd rather be "judged by 12 than carried by 6".

And if he's outside - drag him inside!

Swingman wrote in news:_OmdncUKb_QjiJrSnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

I don't know. The guy knew that the lady was in her home alone, with a baby. He and the dead dude were likely egging each other on, perhaps (as it states) high on drugs, wanting more (money and/or drugs). Therefore, they were both committing a feloney, and the result was 1 dead dude. The other should be charged with at least soomething, leading to the death of the first one.

I'm glad I live on the other side of the Passaic River ...

Swingman wrote in news:_OmdncUKb_QjiJrSnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

Here in Indiana, the law holds all participants in a crime to be fully responsible for all of the results of that crime. If four men rob a home and kill the homeowner, all four will be charged with the murder of the homeowner; if, instead, the homeowner kills one of the robbers, the three surviving robbers will be charged with the murder of the dead robber. It appears that Oklahoma law has similar provisions. I bet Texas law does, too.

Mea culpa. I thought I heard 3 on her first statement.

Amen to that.

And let the forensics guys prove you guilty without a doubt. That'll instantly put the jury on their side and you in jail.

-- It takes as much energy to wish as to plan. --Eleanor Roosevelt

Um, she was a looker and the guy she shot had been stalking her that day. I think they wanted something other than money or drugs from her.

It's common for all parties involved to be charged with conspiracy to murder when a death occurs during the commission of the crime. It isn't often -pursued-, though. Yeah, the second guy needs to be punished for his involvement, but I'm not sure a murder rap is the correct punishment. I guess we'll see. Was it he who got the other guy interested in the woman so he could get sloppy seconds? Maybe it is a fitting punishment after all. I group rape and murder pretty closely as far as heinous crimes go. Rape can taint the woman and all of the people around her for a lifetime, sometimes being worse than death.

-- It takes as much energy to wish as to plan. --Eleanor Roosevelt

"Mike Marlow" wrote in news:a44ee$4f074cdf$4b75eb81$ snipped-for-privacy@ALLTEL.NET:

Apparently it is quite common in the states that when a group (2 or more) hatch a plan to commit a crime, and a death occurs, that all involved except the victim(s) are painted with the same brush as the actual perpetrator.

In NY City a group of 5 is being held, because 1 of them shot and killed a policeman who had cornered him in the residence. The rest were lookouts and/or otherwise accomplices. They are all facing charges of murder of some kind now, although only 1 of them did the deed. He was arrested and let go in spite of a NC/SC arrest warrant, but the down south authorities didn't want to come and get him. Apparently that was enough reason to let him free, damn the judge involved. Oh, yes, the gun used was an illegal weapon.

Larry Jaques wrote the following:

We dragged him back inside to administer first aid!

No s*it! Why should the second guy be charged with murder?? No murder was committed. Smells like a liberal. Someone is going to pay for killing the worthless POC and we will never make it stick on the young woman.

sev·er·al ? ? adjective

1. being more than two but fewer than many in number or kind: several ways of doing it.
2. respective; individual: They went their several ways.
3. separate; different: several occasions.
4. single; particular.
5. Law . binding two or more persons who may be sued separately on a common obligation.

noun

1. several persons or things; a few; some.

I think you may have that mixed up with when a police officer looses his life during a criminal act, all involved will be charged for his murder.