oil based paints ban!?

[brocpuffs]

Aaaurgh!

I just picked up on the local news, that NY State is banning sales of all oil-based products at the end of this year, 2004.

SOB!! Some other states have done thyis already, did you wreckers move out of those states, or what?

Solvents are NOT harmful just because they;re volatile! Acetone and alcohol are examples.

The damage to the ozone layer was done most entirely by Freon and fluorocarbons, as far as I know, because those are the only solvents that can last long enough to get that far up in the atmosphere.

Overdone doowah! All the best finishes and varnishes, gone? Never!

Where can I sign up against this stupid law!?!?

James [e-mail]

[Rumpty]

Many of us have been using "water borne" finishing products for years because of health concerns (ours) and these products work well if not better than solvent based products.

It's time to take a step forward.

[Charles Spitzer]

it may not hurt the ozone, but the states are probably more worried about the smog instead, given the epa restrictions on states.

[Australopithecus scobis]

Sorry, wrong information. Chlorofluorocarbons mess up the stratospheric ozone layer. That's "ozone = O3". For some reason, the brown crud in the lower tropospher, which does contain some O3, is called "ozone." Petrochemicals of various kinds are photoreactive. So, come a hot summer day, you get *cough* that nasty brown haze.

For the doubters, remember that what may not be a big problem when the population was small and dispersed is indeed a big problem when the population is large and concentrated. Pack several million people together, each releasing a teeny tiny amount of these chemicals, and voila, you have a problem.

[Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~]

Its all about being able to set up more cop jobs to chase the oil based paint and stain bootleggers, similar to prohibition...

[Lew Hodgett]

Welcome to the real world.

If you want something that will really rot your shorts, be a sailor or power boater.

"Bottom paint" on a boat is a misnomer. It is not really a paint but rather a poisonous coating deigned to keep critters from attaching them selves to the bottom of the boat.

Basic problem:

The good bottom paints have been banned.

The replacements are not nearly as good.

Result:

More of the poor performance products are required which ends up adding more pollution to the environment than if you had used the good stuff in the first place.

Save us from the well intended, but sometimes misguided.

Lew

[patrick conroy]

???? There's an LD50 associated with Acetone. It sure as hell ain't fun nor helpful to inhale. Are they worried about the Ozone layer or just trying to make some progress now that waterborne finishes are arguably as good as ... ?

[J. Clarke]

In Los Angeles or other areas prone to temperature inversions and still air you have a problem. In the rest of the world much less so.

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[Battleax]

Water based clear finishes are horrible (imo). Even high gloss is poor at best. When my clients see it compared to oil based clear coats they always choose the oil. I'll never put something that looks like milk on my products. That being said, water based clear coat for floors is acceptable when time and smell are a concern.

[Rumpty]

my products.

You haven't take the time to look at quality water borne product, have you?

[Australopithecus scobis]

Yah. I was thinking NY as I wrote the original, and deliberately omitted LA because of the inversions. The City of the Angels had smog when nobody but a few hunter gatherers lived there. Nevertheless, "much less so" is still an awful lot. Beijing, Shanghai, eastern Europe, Mexico City (another smog bowl), and others come to mind. Photochemical smog happens in many, many places. Do you have "Ozone Action Days" where you live?

[brocpuffs]

The chlorofluorocarbons are the main culprit re the OZONE layer, which is how the media described the problems oil based materials cause.

The brown crud is smog, not ozone, do other people really call it ozone? Shame on them for such misinformation. Smog is a different breed of cat, not at all better, but different. I believe automobile and factory emissions are a real major cause of this.

James [e-mail]

[brocpuffs]

Everything has an LD50. Water, too. Does not mean water is toxic normally.

While you're at it, what IS the LD50 of acetone, compared to other Volatile 0rganic Solvents?

This argument on toxicity of acetone came up before, and is nonsense, my man.

James [e-mail]

[brocpuffs]

I have tried them, not many because I feel they are vastly inferior to oil based products. Most people still do.

A step forward or a step back? Kind of an individual thing, but this legislation is upper US and way too general.

I guess water based products will be good on chipboard, particle board and hardboard. Those are all such a step forward, aren't they?

James [e-mail]

[mac davis]

I've never seen or tried water based clear coat, but I've gone mostly to water based stains... I seem to get the same results as oil based and easier cleanup..

It would be a bitch trying to use tung water or danish water, though..

[mac davis]

sort of like the "gas" in Calif.... they add things that are supposed to cut pollution (though they poison the ground water table) but they make your engine run so poorly that you need more of it to travel the same distance..

As usual, nobody wins but the oil companies..

[Ba r r y]

Before you go off the deep end, ask at a reputable paint or finishing products dealer. Local news reporters have been known to be wrong. States have been known to limit who can sell certain products, with "pro" suppliers able to continue to sell them. Since home centers and hardware stores fall into the "banned" category, it gets reported in the mass media as an overall ban.

Other places have gone "low VOC" with often means the addition of "Do Not Thin" to the label instructions and a thicker product.

The lacquers, dyes, and stains that I like to use are *made* in your area.

If it is true, there's always mail order.

Barry

[Rumpty]

and hardboard. Those are all such a step forward, aren't they?

We used Hydrocote Resistane on hardwood furniture, oak, cherry, maple etc and it works fine. I defy anyone to tell the difference.

[Rumpty]

products dealer. Local news reporters have been known to be wrong. States have been known to limit who can sell certain products, with "pro" suppliers able to continue to sell them.

Well folks, don't worry, according to recent reports the Bush administration is about to turn back 30+ years of air pollution standards. Take you last breath of clean air folks......

[larrybud2002]

I heard they're going to push old people down the stairs and torture small puppies, too...