New Woodhaven site

[bridger]

upgrade to Nutscrape 7.0. It's stable and works well.

tried mozilla lately? I've been running it with no problems on my windows box with no problems...

[bridger]

with a boot time measured in *years*....

[Morris Dovey]

Had to have been after my time. When I was there Dhahran, Abqaiq, and Ras Tanura were all wholly ARAMCO. Al Khobar was the closet non-ARAMCO village; Hofuf was the next closest. The only sign I can remember at the gate was the 'Numbers of days since last lost time accident ____'

I only lived in Dhahran for my first six months in SA. It was still being called a "camp". After moving to Abqaiq, I visited Dhahran only to warm (cool?) the bench for school football games or to pass through on my way to either Al Khobar or the hobby farm (about halfway between Dhahran and Al Khobar). When I arrived in Abqaiq only some of the streets were paved. As I recall, Abqaiq had about eleven or twelve hundred inhabitants then (made for really small classes in school).

I do remember that the safety crew had signs every place you could imagine and at least a few (places and signs) that might cause giggles. Really witty stuff: "Be alert, don't get hurt!" and "Don't sleep under this truck!". It's difficult to imagine what they might have composed in honor of a switch engine

[Tom Veatch]

that is

Hoyt,

It's been a while since I did any web development, but I notice that the site apparently uses a lot of scripting or dynamic html (?) so it may be that there is a conflict with your browser security settings or configuration. Like I said, it's been a while since I messed with any of that stuff, so I could easily be all wet but it might be worth some experimentation.

Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA

[Tom Veatch]

Hear, Hear! I'm stuck out here in the boonies where you can't even get cable, but I'll suffer with the 26.4 (28.8 on a very good day) dialup before I pay that much. Yeah, I know about the 56k modems. I have one and my ISP supports them. If the telco ever upgrades from the string and tin can maybe I will see 56k downloads. (I said I was out in the boonies!)

Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA

[Mark & Juanita]

that is

Hoyt, I missed your posting of the above information. I am also using DirecWay. The only way I could make the site work was to use Internet Explorer. I think, as Tom indicates, more tied to the browser than the ISP.

apparently uses a lot of scripting or dynamic html (?)

configuration. Like I said, it's been a while since I

some experimentation.

[Bay Area Dave]

Tom, look on the bright side. You've got some killer BBQ places there!

dave

Tom Veatch wrote:

I'll suffer with the 26.4 (28.8 on a very good

and my ISP supports them. If the telco ever

out in the boonies!)

[Hoyt Weathers]

Hi Morris,

While my wife and I were there, schoolers male or female could go through the 8th grade. Then they had to go out of country for their education - expenses paid for by the Saudis. They could not return during the summer months, meaning the months they were out of school. They knew as well as we did that sap rises about that age. My wife, now deceased, taught at the Academy as part of the U.S. Consulate.

I very much agree with your statement that the Saudis provided a good environment for families. My wife had beautiful gray hair and always had it covered with a very open black net whenever we went into Al Khobar or any other place off campus. We had many good Saudi friends. They respected my wife partly because she was a teacher and had gray hair - indicating age. She has been gone four years now.

It was a wonderful experience living and working in S.A. . There is another world out there and most of them are very good people - regardless of religion.

Hoyt W.

[Hoyt Weathers]

Sorry, I never noticed such a sign. Was it in Arabic? I read very little Arabic.

Hoyt W.

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:32:01 -0700, [e-mail] brought forth from the murky depths:

How about "Mozilla was unstable within the last year."?

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[Mark & Juanita]

I'm allowing cookies in Mozilla.

[David Alexander]

I'm using Firefox and I found that the tabs across the top work if I allow cookies. No cookies, no tabs.

[Morris Dovey]

What interesting experiences she must have had! I would expect that there must have been both unique challenges and opportunity for major sense of accomplishment.

When I lived in Minnesota I filled in for a high school math teacher who'd had a serious snowmobile accident. I had all of the math classes and all of the students for about two months. It was one of the most exhilerating and satisfying experiences of my life to see "the lights come on" on all those kids faces all over the room all at the same time. There's nothing else like it. I don't doubt that your wife enjoyed those same kinds of experiences - and what an enviable context in which to teach!

I have mixed feelings about pushing kids out of the nest after eighth grade - it's an age when major changes are taking place and (IMO) familial guidance is really important to complete and healthy development of the individual. Many of my ARAMCO classmates seem to feel the same way.

Yes. It's interesting that you took notice of that. My experience was that the cultural norm included a strong sense of respect for the individual. Even though I was "just a kid" I felt that I was accorded more "worthwhile and complete human being" status by the typical Saudi than by typical westerners. It wasn't a /huge/ difference; but it was enough to be noticable to a kid trying hard to become an adult.

It's tough going on alone. Woodworking can be a considerable comfort by providing an outlet for the love that we'd really prefer to be expressing directly.

For me, too. I never forgot an old bedouin telling me that "/All/ men are brothers under the skin." I think that perhaps it isn't really "another world" - it's the same world seen from a different place and a different perspective. I'm led to believe that nearly everyone tries to be the best person they know how to be - and the Saudis seemed no exception.

[SwampBug]

For you and Morris. . .the sign was there, IIRC, the whole time I was there , 60-61. 13 months with the USAF. I spent a some time at 'occasions in Aramco with a mix of some sort of soda and some 'Industrial' strength equivalent to "Everclear"!Definitely some stuff to tread lightly upon!!!. The sign said something like "A Switch Engine can cross this crossing the (x) seconds, whether you are in it or not!" I was trying to remember the exact words and more specifically, the exact number of seconds quoted.

[Hoyt Weathers]

Thanks SwampBug for the details. IIRC. the forbidden liquid was called Sadiqi [sah dee key] . A Pakistani friend said that meant " My friend" in his language and perhaps in Arabic as well. Right out of the still, it made a mean Margarita. Curl your hair it would. When I arrived in The Magic Kingdom in 1984, there were wars going on between the big distillers and the small distillers at ARAMCO. My Brit friend on our compound had an "in" with one or more of the Brit distillers in ARAMCO and he kept me supplied. I kept mine in a gallon sized vinegar jug in a cabinet beside the kitchen sink. My apartment was never inspected by the Saudi authorities and I never heard of them searching any abode on the university compound. Hoyt W.

[Morris Dovey]

Good call. Sadiq means "friend". In Arabic you make a thing yours by appending 'i' - so sadiqi is "my friend".

[SwampBug]

Some of that juice went for as much a $100 a pint on base! Dang stuff burns with an invisible flame.

But I really was interested in the railroad crossing sign. . . I will have to dig out all my old pics and see if I might not have gotten a shot of it. Seems like somthing I would do! Might even do a Google search.

[Hoyt Weathers]

Morris, it is just amazing what O.T. info one can obtain on a wood working site. Your explanation was something I did not know. Thanks.

Hoyt Weathers

[Tim Jordan]

Hoyt

Go here and grab the 1.3.1 Mozilla build. Works better than standard Mozilla's on my Beige G3/MacOS9.2.2

TCJ