Japanese Shoji Paper - PVC laminated?

[Swingman]

Exactly what I was hoping someone who may have had some experience with the laminated product could provide. :)

Don't have it yet. Asked the same question of the salesperson at their

800 number last week; also how to cut, and suggested method of fastening (silicon, glue, acrylyic adhesive tape, etc), all the usual mounting methods ... they did not have a clue but "will have someone call me back".

As far as mounting goes

The doors are already made, with a 1/4" rabbet to mount either glass or some other sheet material (which this supposedly is), complete with muntin grille's:

even if I have to cut a non laminated paper, as you mentioned in your previous post, technique, or lack thereof, will be the deciding factor ... just trying to get a jump on the process, so queried here also.

[Swingman]

LOL Don't feel bad, you are not the only one ... seems to be epidemic. :)

[Swingman]

LOL ... one of the few who did. I appreciate your post. Until I saw the video I didn't have a clue how any of this Japanese paper was mounted.

Although this might not fall in the same category as in the video, I won't know until I actually lay hands on it, so any information adds to my options.

[Swingman]

Yeah, whatever it is applied has to be opaque to do what the client wants. I think the adhesive backed paper is what is made for mounting on glass, not the laminated product which is what I ordered based on what the client wanted.

Considering the bubbling/air pocket problems I've had with putting a protective, adhesive backed screen on a smartphone, I hope like hell that is NOT the only option! :)

But, I'll know when it gets here ... ITMT, it's been an illustrative post, on many fronts, to say the least. :)

[krw]

When someone gives a link without a specific pointer (e.g. "third item down") I generally just read the first.

My other excuse is that I wasn't seeing very well yesterday afternoon. A migraine was coming on (I don't get pain just an aura and my reading ability goes to hell) and I went and took a nap. ;-)

[Swingman]

>>>>>>>>> Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Nah, chalk it up to being a poorly designed, confusing page to start with. Too bad the web designer didn't see fit to have a link to a separate page for each specific item, but no such luck. That's why I attempted to provide a "pointer" with the name of the specific product, in parentheses. :)

Sorry about the migraine ... mine apparently comes gratis with a BP medication. The older you get the more you can't win for losing, but the alternative is a bitch. ;)

[dadiOH]

You too? Things start shimmering like heat waves on a desert? Scared the hell out of me the first time I had one.

[Dave]

Well, if it is laminated and comes in sheet form, you might want to consider a plastic cutting blade which if I remember correctly would have a negative hook angle.

Perhaps a solid surface/laminate blade for Leon's TS55 or TS75 might do the trick.

[dadiOH]

> So, even if I have to cut a non laminated paper, as you mentioned in

Even unlaminated rice paper should be good to go with that without any sort of backing (other than the grill) if glued to both. In your case, I'm thinking spray adhesive on the rabbet, ditto on grill.

[krw]

>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

It was a valiant attempt. ;-)

Mine started long before the BP medication. In fact I have no side effects from the BP medication at all. I take Metoprololto regulate the heart rate (A-Fib, five years back) and I can tell if I've missed it but the BP stuff I'm taking does nothing adverse. I was on one that attacked my shoulder joints. That was no fun. It didn't happen right away so it took me close to a year to figure out what was causing the problem.

[krw]

Around a blob or arc. The center is darkish. I can clearly see text there but the brain can't decode it. Fortunately it rarely lasts more than a ten or twenty minutes. Like I said, absolutely no pain, just this aura thing - both eyes (unless it's out of the normal FOV of one), open or shut.

's a pretty good simulation of what I see in here, though it's not usually this bad. I also don't have any other symptoms before or after. The migraines seem to come in clusters, though, lasting a few days, maybe a week. Then they'll go away for months.

was scary the first time (20 years ago, or more) but it's now just another ho-hum problem. It didn't take me long to figure out that it was a migraine, rather than an eye problem, though. It's always the same in both eyes and it doesn't matter if there is actually anything to see. I have mild RA, too, which is far more debilitating and that isn't really bad (particularly since I moved to the South ;-).

Yes, getting old is a bitch, but as Swingman noted, it sure beats the only alternative.

[EXT]

Yeah, something similar to old wooden window screens, staple it to wood frame into a rabbet and then cover the staples with a molding.

[Swingman]

For those taking notes:

Got call today from Samurai Shoji San installer:

1. Cut sheet material 1/16" undersize of opening, with fresh sharp utility knife and using t-Square.
2. Mount to rabbets and muntin grille with any quality, double sided tape, as needed.

He said you could use silicon (extremely messy), or Warlon Sheet Bond (available only in Japanese stores), but the double sided tape would work as well, and have the plus of the owner being able to remove/change in the future.

We'll soon see if it is as easy as it sounds ...

[Steve]

Swingman wrote in news:1286602560363390971.094220kac-nospam.com@216.196.97.131:

Ahhhh! Belushi at his best! My favorite was "Samurai Tailor".

[Mike M]

Looks similar to the U-tube video, but the double tape was great input, gives you better chance to recover if needed. Using the real sharp razor knife give you the oportunity to just take your time. Looking forward to seeing the finished project. I like the idea.

Mike M

[Swingman]

Netflix is your friend ... my favorite is the Joe Cocker duo.

[Swingman]

Yeah ... and it was watching your video link that made the dialog with the dude much more productive.

Thanks again!

[Swingman]

The Laminated Shoji paper arrived yesterday evening via FedEx, rolled up in a tube.

Mounted it this morning (with assistance from a friend of ours who has a picture framing shop in the neighborhood), and using double sided tape as above. Good thing to, because it takes at least four hands of the "never did this before variety":

photos in a row.

[Mike M]

Looks really good. I'm assuming using the laminated sheet makes it easier to install with out any possible wrinkles showing? If you were doing it solo could you do it like you were doing contact glue and support it above the tape as you had it so the double tape was beneath the surface? I really like how the light background makes the frame pop out.

Mike M

[Swingman]

>>> Two photos in a row.

You could pretty much use the same technique used for laminating any substrate, except with this stuff it is better, at least for the inexperienced, to start at one end and work your way to the other ... one person holding one end up high, with an arc toward the end where the application is starting; and the other person guiding and pressing the material to tape, working toward the high held end ... with only +1/32" clearance side to side, and top to bottom, the start is critical.

Actually much easier than it sounds, but I would still want four hands on the job because, even laminated, you would probably ruin the stuff if you had to start over.

Both sheets were cut to 16 9/16 x 24 3/16, so at roughly $10 linear foot, including shipping, it cost a tad over $16/door. The 3' x 6' roll was $66.70 with shipping.

That's very reasonable, IMO ... and I have plenty for two more doors of the same size left.