Like many here, I've got a woodworking website with
some useful info. And like many of you, I get e-mailed
requests for more details or help with doing something.
I try to answer all the e-mailed questions, going so
far as to create special illustrations, take digital
photos, clean them up and add text to describe things
etc.. Perhaps one in ten people asking for help
will take the time to even let me know they got what I
went out of my way to create and e-mail to them in a
Had four of these this week .
Just venting a little.
a big thank-you Charlie! I am one that does appreciate your knowledge
and wonderful tips that you take the time to post! Keep up the good
work. We all just get busy and sometimes we forget our manners. So I
I hear you well Charlie.
It's got to a point I almost do not even want to write anymore. Instead of
sending long detailed answers as in the past, I make it short knowing I will
not get an acknowledgment anyway. I don't mind helping, I'm just surprised
at the lack of appreciation.
At least you get 1 out of 10 to respond.
As more of a consumer than a producer of said advice (though I haven't
yet contacted anyone directly for specific help), could I humbly ask
that those who post in here who do have personal WWing web sites post
their URLs so I and others could check out what's out there?
I often find that personal sites are easier to navigate and comprehend
than the larger sites that sometimes make assumptions as to either
skill or the equipment of the people reading them.
I've built some web sites myself, and most people don't understand how
much work it takes to put even the dopiest page online. It has to be
one of the most tedious tasks there is.
To all here who made websites showing off their shops and works, this
newbie says thanks - a lot. I regularly scour my bookmarks of
woodworking sites to see if anything has been updated.
Especially Tom's! As one who REALLY appreciates your site (from the
endless examples of fine craftsmanship, to the shop-in-progress pics,
the work it took to build the site, and of course the "just git out
there and do it" attitude), you definitely have MY gratitude and
As well as that from of my cow-orkers (architects and designers) who
design high end homes, all of whom fell off their chairs when I sent
them the link.
So, PLEASE keep your sites up and running. There are a lot of people
who bookmark your sites and keep checking in from time to time for new
content. Even if it's YABR (yet another bandsaw review). I may not
express it personally, but that's because I don't wish to interrupt
your privacy. But understand there are those out there who really
appreciate the efforts.
You're a better man than me, Charlie Brown ... I thought that was what the
wRec and apbw were good for, and we all know how many (un)grateful bastards
there are around here. ;)
That said, I have perused your site more than a time or two and hereby thank
you for the realized intent/content.
I hear you. It's largely cultural and the impersonal nature of the
Cultural in that we live in a bit of a gimme, help me, do for me
culture. We EXPECT that there are resources avaliable to us to make
our life easier. Why offer thanks to that which we are due?
And the impersonal nature of the internet causes us to forget that
there are real people on the other end of that box. It's not people...
it's just "the internet".
Mark Twain wrote that every human action, no matter how generous, is
ultimately self-serving. Very often we give... and hope to get
appreciation or satisfaction in return.
At any rate, have faith that your efforts are indeed appreciated...
even if the beneficiary doesn't take the time to expressly tell you
Actually, there have been times I offered something on the Internet
and people have taken the time to thank me.... and *I* didn't take the
time to thank them for their appreciation. Surely I'm on the slow road
It's an interesting point -- my instinctive ways of showing my
gratefulness on newsgroups are more of "go and do likewise" than "say
thanks"; if the place has been helpful to me, I try to do what I can to
make it helpful to others. But you're certainly right that a few
"thanks" wouldn't go amiss, particularly on places like this where I've
got far more questions than answers.
- Brooks (going off to send one now)
The "bmoses-nospam" address is valid; no unmunging needed.
charlie b (in firstname.lastname@example.org) said:
| Like many here, I've got a woodworking website with
| some useful info. And like many of you, I get e-mailed
| requests for more details or help with doing something.
| I try to answer all the e-mailed questions, going so
| far as to create special illustrations, take digital
| photos, clean them up and add text to describe things
| etc.. Perhaps one in ten people asking for help
| will take the time to even let me know they got what I
| went out of my way to create and e-mail to them in a
| timely manner.
| Had four of these this week .
| Just venting a little.
One in ten is pretty good. My web site log recorded over 340,000 hits
last year and I got four "thank you" e-mails.
One of the pages hit fairly frequently has a request for feedback -
which produced three responses.
I don't think the problem is with you.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Not sure if you do have such a thing on your site, but if you make a
request for feedback and ideas, and give people a means to easily do
so, you might get some replies.
If you believe that silence implies consent, all those emails you're
not getting may mean that folks are quite happy with what you offer.
Actually, the acid test is whether people will PAY you for your
offerings. If people will part with $$, then you have something ;-)
Joe Barta (in Xns97659F1437E87jbartaapknet@188.8.131.52) said:
| Morris Dovey wrote:
|| Actually, I'd rather have critical feedback
| Not sure if you do have such a thing on your site, but if you make a
| request for feedback and ideas, and give people a means to easily do
| so, you might get some replies.
| If you believe that silence implies consent, all those emails you're
| not getting may mean that folks are quite happy with what you offer.
| Actually, the acid test is whether people will PAY you for your
| offerings. If people will part with $$, then you have something ;-)
Every page has an e-mail link with a pre-cooked subject line so I can
see what people were looking at when (if) they decided to send a
comment or suggestion.
As to the parting with $$ part, some (not ever enough) actually do. My
project for today was to order the last of the materials to build a
3-1/2 axis CNC joinery machine that I'm hoping will improve the sales
Have patience, I'm slowly working my way toward the CNC drilling
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Charlie, We create websites for many reasons. Mostly to promote or product,
point of view, service or as a resource. I always said, "You knew the job
was dangeous when you took it!" Websites are that.
My personal website teamcasa.org promotes my house building for the poor
activities. However, one of the most active pages are the ones on latrine
building and the free plans. The plans have been downloaded several thousand
times and I have only been thanked 2 or 3 times. However, I did not put
them up to be paid, prasied or thanked. They are there to help others and
to inspire others to help the very poor.
I wasn't expecting any acknowledgement of posts to
any threads here. I'm talking about personal e-mail.
requests for help which require a bit of time and effort
to provide. And I'm not even expecting thanks. I just
want to know if they got the info and did it answer their
I'm not trolling for 'thank you's or trying to increase
the hits to my website - don't have a counter and have
never checked the site statistics. I just want to know
if what I sent was ever received and, if so, did it give
them the info they were looking for (or - for which
they were looking. - have to keep the grammar police
Charlie, I have been too busy to put up my own site or to view yours (I will
get to both someday) but I do have a thought for you. I get asked to do a
large part of my entire families maintenace issues. I was complaining about
fixing everybodys sink, roof etc. and someone said you don't get it do you?
I replied I guess not. They said: "Favors are not meant to be repaid, they
are to be passed along" I asked what does this mean? They said the people
you are helping cannot repay you cuz they don't have the skills you require
to be helped. But maybe for example they will run into someone who needs
their taxes prepared cheap or free (and they are tax professionals). You
don't directly benefit from this but..........as they are considering this
request, they remember the time you came late at night and installed a new
water heater for them. They think I should try to help this person. What
you have done is help increase the pool of kind-hearted souls out there. In
your case many people cuz you have a website. Just food for thought. :-)
BTW I enjoy not only yours but everybodys post.
Keep the kind-hearted pool strong!
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