You may be right, but thus far I've either been damn lucky, or a pretty good
judge of character based on words and actions, even from afar.
My basis of respect for Rudy G is the same I had as the white, Southern boy
CO of a combat unit in SE Asia, for my black, Northerner 1st Sgt.
He was a _man_ in the finest sense of the word, with a world of uncommon
sense, who did his job of keeping those below (and above) him alive in a
calm, competent manner that you will never forget, and that you will
recognize instantly the minute you see it again.
(Bless your peapicking heart, Top ... I hope happiness dogs your days,
wherever you are.)
I agree--he definitely has a projection about him...
One last observation, though. As terrible as it was in NYC, it was only
a small area in the heart of the city <directly> affecting something
like 20,000 people. In actual scope of the disaster and immediate
consequences it was minute compared to NO in particular and the Gulf
Coast in general.
Duane Bozarth (in email@example.com) said:
| I knew after I sent it I didn't word what I meant well...it's one
| thing to <know/predict> it's yet another to really envision what
| actually occurs. I think there's a conceptual leap there virtually
| impossible to grasp as it is so far beyond the expected. Just as
| the complete destruction of the areas hit by the Tsunami was
| And, yes, I'll agree there has been apparent slow response--why and
| who I'm not up to assessing at the moment and don't think it does
| anything constructive <at this point>...
It'd better, there are at least two more hurricanes a-brewing at the
moment. Preparation of emergency plans is *not* a leisure-time
Furthermore, even with forty-leven levels of contingency planning, two
major components of leadership are thinking on your feet and readiness
to do what's needed - without dithering, delay, or posturing. With
stockpiles of combat rations, water, and tents we should have been
seeing massive air drops of supplies into Gulf states' drop zones
within hours of Katrina's passage - with an immediate ramp-up
following the levee failures.
The size of the disaster cannot be an excuse for failing to take
immediate and effective action.
I'm absolutely floored that none of the cellular service providers has
thought to set up temporary "towers" for emergency communications.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
**> Preparation of emergency plans is *not* a leisure-time
**> two major components of leadership are thinking on your feet and
I am beginning to suspect that we could do worse than making a calculated
effort to replace the current crop of "emergency management" _leadership_,
at the national and regional levels, with a core of seasoned, ex military
combat leaders. I doubt there is anyone in this country, as a group, who is
better trained and more qualified to think, plan and react as you point out
Just imagine how effective FEMA could be with a Schwarzkopf in charge
instead of a politically favored lawyer.
With all the damn wars we've involved ourselves in, just in my lifetime,
there should be a few of them around.
Swingman (in firstname.lastname@example.org) said:
| I am beginning to suspect that we could do worse than making a
| calculated effort to replace the current crop of "emergency
| management" _leadership_, at the national and regional levels, with
| a core of seasoned, ex military combat leaders. I doubt there is
| anyone in this country, as a group, who is better trained and more
| qualified to think, plan and react as you point out ** above.
| Just imagine how effective FEMA could be with a Schwarzkopf in
| charge instead of a politically favored lawyer.
| With all the damn wars we've involved ourselves in, just in my
| lifetime, there should be a few of them around.
Sadly, it's not just FEMA (who, as far as I can tell, are simply
incapable of serving in any kind of "first responder" role) but the
same pattern of behavior that the administration displayed in the
That pattern looks a lot like: 'Lets wait a week or three and see how
many are left before we do anything - it'll be cheaper if we just let
the weak ones die where they are.'
On the news last evening I heard black leaders opining that help had
not been forthcoming because so many of the victims were black. I
don't believe that's the case - and that the results would have been
exactly the same for /any/ racial mix. Either way, it's not America at
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Yes, well, it's not blackness that's the problem, or so I think. It's
money. If you got money, you got help. If you don't got money, you
don't got help. Period. Now, this tends to apply more to blacks in some
areas (especially the deep south) than it does to whites, but IMO,
George Bush cannot even SEE people who are not neat, clean, well
dressed and making at least a quarter mil a year. Didja check out his
hugs going to the people when he was in New Orleans? For a place with
no water and no clean clothing, those were amazingly polished up
huggees. His "people" probably want to make sure the King George is not
offended by body odor.
Edwin Pawlowski (in Hp9Se.3056$ email@example.com)
|| I'm absolutely floored that none of the cellular service providers
|| has thought to set up temporary "towers" for emergency
| I've been watching an antenna being put up. It is not all that fast
| and simple and you need power to do it. AND, it must be connected
| to land lines at some point.
Glad to hear that they're working on it.
I've only installed VHF repeaters; but the installation should go
rapidly (the only power we needed during installation was for
fine-tuning the duplexers). Land line connection could be remoted
using a (direct) microwave or (indirect) satellite link to the
connection point. Site it on the tallest stable building and get it on
the air with a pair of portable generators.
Or is it only this quick and easy for amateurs?
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Cell sites aren't repeaters. Repeaters are simple.
As you know, repeaters take a signal in, and retransmit it. Cell
sites connect cellular phones via radio to the rest of the world.
Cell sites are connected back to a switch, usually via a T1, DS3, or
some sort of optical link. The site needs to be built in the switch
database, and the switch needs to know about the adjacent cells. The
site also needs quite a bit more commercial power than a ham repeater.
The difficult part is providing enough bandwidth back to the switch,
and the fact that all of the central offices, possibly including the
cellular switch in the area, are down, and all the cables are
Non-telco cell companies depend on the local telco to get site signals
back to the public telephone network. Also, most towers are now
collocated. Lose a tower, lose all of the brands on it in that area.
Ba r r y (in firstname.lastname@example.org) said:
|| Or is it only this quick and easy for amateurs?
| Cell sites aren't repeaters. Repeaters are simple.
| As you know, repeaters take a signal in, and retransmit it. Cell
| sites connect cellular phones via radio to the rest of the world.
| Cell sites are connected back to a switch, usually via a T1, DS3, or
| some sort of optical link. The site needs to be built in the switch
| database, and the switch needs to know about the adjacent cells.
| The site also needs quite a bit more commercial power than a ham
| The difficult part is providing enough bandwidth back to the switch,
| and the fact that all of the central offices, possibly including the
| cellular switch in the area, are down, and all the cables are
| Non-telco cell companies depend on the local telco to get site
| signals back to the public telephone network. Also, most towers
| are now collocated. Lose a tower, lose all of the brands on it in
| that area.
Yuppers - I understand the difference in circuit complexities.
As a first response measure, an isolated (independent) cell that
connects all calls to an EOC "help desk" would be a major improvement
over no communications at all in the initial period following a
disaster. Full-feature operation for health and welfare traffic can
wait a bit longer than a family trapped in their attic by rising
FEMA maintains multi-mode/multi-channel communications centers in at
least state capitols (I was the volunteer operator for the one in Des
Moines during our '93 flood) that are capable of providing the initial
essential disaster communications with the outside world. These, too,
are more complex than most ham stations but were pre-packaged in a
single rack unit that could be relocated by truck or helicopter - and
even operated by people without equipment-specific training.
A ham repeater doesn't require (isn't allowed) much power and most
that I've seen used 12V auto/truck batteries for immediate backup -
does a cell site require more than the 2-5kW available from a small
DeSoto, Iowa USA
I know Cellular One / Cingular used to be able to move "mobile cell"
trailers in for disasters, etc. Power would be self-contained
generators of land lines. Your point about the land line connection is
valid though I wonder if they've worked out some sort of wireless relay
or satellite feed by now.
Used to be - with the older cellular infrastructure systems - they could
assign priority codes to LE cells to cause the system to drop
"non-essential" communications in deference to calls initiated by
LE/FD/Rescue. IT was explained to me that this came about, at least in
part, due to the media showing up on scene, dialing up their newsrooms
and then just keeping the line open for the duration (lest they get
"scooped"). Remember way back then they didn't have digital and, while
I forget the number of frequencies available in any given cell, it was
certainly less than 45 or so.
My point is it is one thing to predict analytically, yet another to
create enough belief to react in such scope <prior> to the event. It is
so incredible and so out of character it is simply beyond most to
imagine and so they can't bring themselves to go far enough in their
actions. Wise? No. Human nature? Yes.
Place yourself in the position even if you had read the predictions and
with very limited resources and what seem to be far more pressing
issues. Can you honestly say you would have unequivocally devoted
sufficient resources to the far-off "one day"?
Anyone above a half-wit in NOLA knew this was inevitable, just as
anyone above a half-wit living in California knows the Big One could
What astounds me is how poorly prepared the agencies (civic, state and
federal) appear to have been, and how quickly the facade of
Here in Canada we joked about our army being mobilized a few years ago
when Toronto got hit by a freak snowstorm, but the fact is they were
mobilized in hours, responded in hours and the operation was a success.
WTF is going on along the gulf coast? It's been FIVE DAYS and relief is
Life. Nature's way of keeping meat fresh. -- Dr. Who
Two words: "magnitude" and "logistics"
Don't forget some people would have been rescued from their homes had
the good folks who volunteered to go in with boats not been fired upon.
Snipers have been firing upon doctors still stuck downtown at
hospitals. Would you stroll down there as a good Samaritan to pluck
someone out of the flood if chances are you'd get blown away by one of
the nut cases? Much of the relief effort has had to be diverted to
reestablishing law and order. The damage turned out to be much worse
than expected, so cut the authorities who are working nearly 20 hours a
day, a bit of slack. How have you helped out? If you aren't part of
the solution, then you must be part of the problem. Corrupt NO police
contributed to the quickly escalating anarchy. Some of them went so far
as to turn in their badges (probably the same one's seen looting on
Pretty damn unbelievable, I agree.
However, as bad as it is, it _is_ heartening to see the reaction here in
Houston from many. Made four trips to a Red Cross drop-off point in my truck
thus far today, carrying clothes, canned goods, games, toys, blankets,
towels and every imaginable type of hygienic item, all donated by folks on
just the few streets surrounding mine. An e-mail to my immediate neighbors
this morning saying that since I had a truck, I could easily do a 'pickup
and delivery' for those who were unable, next thing I know I have a
mini-pickup point on my hands. The same thing is going on all over this
When I get to these two drop-off points, the multitude of ORGANIZED
volunteers, from little kids to senior citizens, working to feed and clothe
the "refugees" here would make you feel a lot better that things are more
swiftly being addressed than you're going to see on the news.
I just watched a BBC newscast that had a decidedly political spin to it ...
really pissed me off after what I've seen here all day.
That said, I agree with everything you say.
Bull. This was predicted YEARS ago.
It's not like we're talking about a comet striking the gulf. We're
talking about a cat 4 hurricane.
You can't keep a straight face and tell me this is a surprise.
Life. Nature's way of keeping meat fresh. -- Dr. Who
David (in email@example.com) said:
| Dave Balderstone wrote:
||| 1.) Shear magnitude. It's not just New Orleans that's in trouble.
|| Bull. This was predicted YEARS ago.
|| It's not like we're talking about a comet striking the gulf. We're
|| talking about a cat 4 hurricane.
|| You can't keep a straight face and tell me this is a surprise.
|| Can you?
| Predicting that a catastrophe will hit doesn't change the
| difficulty of getting into the region to pluck people off of
| rooftops or reduce the danger posed by snipers.
Difficulty simply means that more effort, persistance, and
determination are required to get the job done.
Danger simply means that more courage is needed to do the job.
If you don't think those people are worth the effort, I disagree. If
you think the danger is too great, then make it possible for /me/ to
go help get the job done - not that I wouldn't be scared spitless; but
because I'd rather accept the danger than have those people die.
FWIW, being shot *at* doesn't mean becoming a casualty.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
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