How do you handle the problem of rust? If I pull my car into the garage
after it has been out in the rain, or covered with snow and salt, it's
going to really do a number on my tools. Not only my table saw, jointer,
etc, but also the smaller hand tools like chisels and planes. Just
putting a dehumidifier isn't going to do much good with a wet car right
next to everything.
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My shop is currently in a very damp basement, even with a dehumidifier.
I recently bought a silica gel box (Cabelas,
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I put this in a rubbermaid tub with the hand tools I really care about,
and it seems to work well. I haven't had it for a long time, and it
wouldn't help at all with the big power tools, but it might be
something to consider.
My shop is in the garage and the way that I handled it is that I built
a partition wall seperating my shop from where a car might go, put a
ceiling in it insulated the entire thing and run a window AC unit 24/7.
Perhaps overkill on the construction and a bit expensive for the AC
but none of my tools show any sign of rust. It is worth it to me as I
don't want to waste precious shop time doing rust remediation on my
tools. I also justify it in my mid as the shop is about the same temp
/ humidity as the house where the stuff I build will eventually be
deployed so - in theory - moisture takeup on the wood should be
somewhat consistent between environments.
My dad's shop is in what amounts to a detached garage and is in the
woods. He only runs the AC when he is in there and he is CONSTANTLY
fighting the rust problem.
Philly metro BTW so humidity is a real problem.
leave the cars outside?? :) I haven't parked a car in my garage shop
for over 3 years. The cars are doing fine. They don't rust outside and
my shop doesn't get "disturbed". Then again, I don't live in snow
country. I thought most snow country homes had basements. I've
considered moving to the midwest and taking over an entire basement
(1,500 square feet) for my next shop. that would be so cool to have
plenty of room for stock. I could retire some of the equipment's mobile
stands with that much room. Each "toy" could stay put in a shop that
I DO live in snow country and neither my wife's nor my car come
inside the house (needless to say the kids' cars don't either). The
wife was less than pleased by that when we contemplated purchasing the
current home and she thought she might get to use the garage, but
after we talked and she accepted that she got a dining room, a living
room, 3 bathrooms and virtually the entire walk-in closet and all I
got from the new house was a little bit bigger garage shop, she was OK
Oh sure, you only think you'd get the entire basement!!!! I get a little
corner of an unfinished basement. SWMBO wants it finished and we are
currently in negotiation on how much of it I get for the shop!!!
If you ever do move, make sure you get a basement with at least 9' ceilings.
I'm HOPING I'd get the whole basement! :) Having discussed it at length
with SWMBO, it appears I would snag the entire basement if we ever move
to a house similar to the one we spent several days looking at in KS.
The ceilings were 9'. I wouldn't want less if I plan on putting a shop
into one. Lower than that would be a deal breaker.
My suggestion, do NOT strive for a basement workshop. Invariable, it's
difficult to move supplies in an out of the basement, even if the stairway
is in the garage. If you have the laundry facilities in the basement, dust
(even with a good dust collector) will prove to be an insurmountable
problem. The noise from power tools, especially pneumatic nailers, can
generate enormous complaints from the rest of the family. But the biggie,
from my experience is finishing procedures. Varnishes, even the new latex
paints, still have an odors that will invariable seep to the rest of the
home and only then will you find out that every single person in your
household has asthma, bronchial or acute respiratory failure, and if you
open up one more can, you will be charged under the domestic violence laws.
Where in Kansas? James, north central Kansas.
Thanks for the info, James.
Hmmm...I have an attached garage that I do HVLP spraying. I sometimes
smell a bit of the sprayed product inside the house, but it isn't
objectionable often or bad enough to be concerned. I would be concerned
if spraying inside a basement would worsen the problem.
I'd only get a walk-out basement for ease of bringing in supplies and
taking out projects. No way I'd consider just stairs!
"Family" is just me and the missus. (Besides visitors--but I'd skip
the woodworking if someone's visiting for a few days)
The house we considered has a laundry room behind the garage, on the
main floor. Beats hauling laundry up and down the basement stairs.
My wife's computer/sewing room's right next to the shop. She has said
the shop noise doesn't intrude. Plus, she knows what it's like to live
with a shop right under her bedroom, during a previous "life". I was
watching PBS last night--60's music--while she was sleeping soundly
beside me in the bedroom. Lights and TV noise don't wake her up. The
neighbors fricking barking dogs do (wake her), but they have all
recently gotten barking collars, which WORK, thank God!
I'm concerned about the humidity level (with a/c from the central unit)
in a basement, even barring a water seepage problem in the basement. Do
you know the humidity level of your basement and of the main living
quarters? I know it can get pretty humid in the midwest. I spent 3
years in MO. Is a basement always going to be inherently more humid
than the upper stories, even with an a/c register always open in the
oh, our washer and drier are in my garage shop and I've yet to see a
problem. What EXACTLY is the problem with the laundry being done in the
shop area? Our drier vents outside. I don't like it when hot water is
being used in the washer if I'm about to do finishing, but other than
that, the 2 functions have coexisted fine ever since I started
woodworking in the shop.
Lenexa or vicinity.
Think of a cold winter day. While it is true that inside air and outside
air are eventually exchanged, there still will be some overlap and any
significant odor in the basement will eventually be circulated throughout
the house, especially in the forced air system your most likely to find in
That's a point, but just to play devil's avocate, how are go to get to that
walkout basement, unless you find one with basement garages. Think of
having to drive your truck in the backyard with some frequency. I'm sure
you can find exactly what you're looking for, but it's likely to take some
From my experience, humidity just isn't a problem. Since it's raining
outside, right now, I'm sure the humidity level in my garage/shop is right
at 100%. BTW, it's been so hot lately, I bought a used window air
conditioner ($15 gloat) and stuck it in a garage window. Works like a
champ. Even when outside tempertures peaked at over 100 degrees, this
summer, the window unit would keep the inside of the workshop in the low
80's. Not perfect, but certainly acceptable. (At that air conditioner spat
out a stead stream of water, too).
Note: I moved two months, ago. We used the "pods", that were stored in the
open for ten days. I had tools, (hacksaw frames, coping saw frames, etc)
that rusted for the first time in 25 years. Some beyond salvation, unless I
want to spend hours with a wire brush. The "pods", sitting in a storage
lot, heated up to very high tempertures during the day, then rapidly cooled
probably 60 or 70 degrees, when the sun went down. There was condesation
damage on more than just my tools. (This is, apparently a problem with
moving vans, too, if the move is not directly from house to house.)
If, I was going to do it again, I swear I'd call an auctioneer and sell out
everything except the absolutely irreplaceable items and start all over
again in the new location.
I had a shop in the basement. I even install special wiring. (Man-oh-man,
it was slick). But even with a dust collector, there was still a fine
coating of dust in the laundry room and on clothes that my wife would
ocassionaly decide couldn't go into the dryer. Eventually, the shop
migrated half of a double car garage, and then very gradually, took over the
We, sold out and moved from western Shawnee, just two months, ago. Johnson
County's ever-esculating property taxes are just not condusive to a genteel
I'm not married, so my entire basement is my shop. Well, other than
utility room, storage room, and bathroom. Of course, it has been 4
winters now and the shop isn't done yet. Should be done this winter.
I still want to build a real shop in the backyard as I have to remove my
egress window to get any sheet goods or anything large into the shop.
That is going to be hard to find. I wanted a 13 course basement, but
water problems prevented the basement from going that deep.
Ah, one of the benefits we enjoy down here in New Mexico. The humidity
is so low, rust is never a problem.
My father-in-law lived in this house for 50+ years. After he died, as I
was going through his old tools, I was amazed to see how well preserved
they were in his garage.
Back in New Jersey, I used silica, rust preventors, WD40 ... anything I
could get my hands on to combat the onset of rust.
And usually, I would lose the battle.
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