My neighbor is selling his house. He has a wood shop in his basement, maybe
15 x 25. Table saw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, a couple of workbenches, etc.
The shop is at ground level, with a door to the back yard. Some pretty nice
stuff has come out that shop.
The rest of the basement is unfinished, basically one large room with the
furnace, water heater, washer, dryer and some storage shelves. Oh yeah,
there's a shower stall bathroom in the corner. The basement can be accessed
by stairs from the kitchen or through the shop. They 2 separate spaces.
(It's sloped lot, allowing for a walk-out basement in the rear for the shop.)
His realtor has told him that he should empty the shop before showing the
house, so he has moved all of his equipment and material to storage until
his new house is ready.
What are your thoughts? Would you have left the shop as staging or emptied
the room like the realtor suggested? I have my own shop (not as nice as his)
so I'm biased. If I was looking for a house and it had space for a shop I
would think it would be nice to see it set up as staging. If staging
bedrooms and kitchens is all the rage these days, why not stage a shop?
On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 07:20:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
I would have emptied it out, cleaned it up REALLY well, and set the
shop up to show how useful the space is - perhaps with an almost
finished or just finished project to show it off.. Make sure all small
tools etc are locked up safely, of course!!!
On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 10:20:25 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
As long as it can be cleaned up, made neat and organized, I'd leave it.
I remember looking at a house some years ago where one section of the
basement was set up for reloading ammo. He had several machines there,
set up for different cartridges. I wondered how many people who looked
at it even knew what it was.
As long as it's neat, I'd consider a wood working shop part of staging.
If someone wants to use the space for something else, it's not hard
to visualize it empty.
Realtor is probably right. Few people have a shop compared to the
families just looking for space. Lots of extra work moving stuff to
storage though. I may have taken the chance and left it for that reason.
I've watch some of the House Hunter shows and yes, it is for TV, but
some of the reasons to reject a house are just silly.
On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 16:40:43 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
Around here the picky ones continue to rent or live in mom and dad's
basement - - -unless they've got LOTS of money. I stopped at an open
house around the corner last week - a small bungalow on a medium sized
lot (45X95?) that had not been updated since the mid seventies -
listed at $350, sold over $385 in less than 4 days - and it needed at
least $35000 in work to bring it up to a reasonable standard, in my
eyes. Any work that had been done, such as replacing a few windows,
had been done the cheap way, with inserts instead of frame out - and
the owners had run forced air heating ducts under the concrete floors
in the basement. It had also been smoked in - and not just a little
bit. A;ll of the floors squeaked, the finished basement needed a
complete re-do, and you couldn't open the door of a corolla in the
garage. It was overlength so 2 "hogs" could be parked end to end. and
still have lots of room. The back deck was off the garage, was a step
UP from the garage, and needed to be totally replaced, and the 45 year
old asphalt driveway was also well past it's "best before date"
The kitchen cabinets were still the originals, and the tiny kitchen
was very tired looking.
Just around the corner there was also a backsplit semi listed for
350K. I didn't look at it but it also sold in days.
I'm not in the market for a house and I doubt that we'll ever leave
where we currently live. If we do, however, it will be into a brand
new condo or coop. We're too old to be fooling around "fixing"
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
On Sat 01 Apr 2017 06:16:15p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
We're on one floor now, but we have a rather large patio (65' x 15-18')
which has 3 large flowering trees and the surrounding walls are covered
with bougainvillea, all of which showers debris year round. We don't
want to have to maintain it. Fortunately there are plenty of condos on
one floor with sheltered balconies or patios that would eliminate the
problem we now have. I do agree, the thought of movng tires me out
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
When we used to tour home shows we discovered many things were undersized
to make the rooms look bigger. Smaller kitchen table, smaller couch in the
living room, etc. I laid down on a bed I thought was a queen bed, and my
feet hung several inches off the end of the bed. :)
Maybe you need to do the same when staging a shop. A huge cabinet saw, 21"
band saw, 12" jointer, and 4x8 assembly table will probably make that space
look tiny and cramped. Stage it with a tiny work bench and some small
benchtop tools and WOW what a huge shop! :)
Otherwise, just clean it up good and give it a fresh coat of paint.
Oh, and drawers and cabinets. People LOVE drawers and cabinets. :) Gives
them a place to stash all their Shtuff.
Empty. Because not everyone else has a wood shop fantasy. Bedroom and
kitchens are used by EVERYONE and staging is obvious.
An empty room allows people to envision their own layout. Even if some
of us can envision a room to their own items with stuff in it, many
cannot see beyond what's in it and that could be the difference of a
purchase or not.
Taking a contrary position, in a "hot" market selling an occupied
house is easier than an empty one - if the house is empty, what's
wrong with it? Also, a bit of furniture hides the wear and tear a
little bit - andin a hot market, unless the house is rough, painting
it will not generally pay for itself, even if you paint it yourself.
Everyone wants their own colors and very often end up repainting what
you just painted.
What I see here, is a house painted a year or so before sale - so it
looks "well maintained" and doesn't look like someone "put lipstick on
the pig" so sell it, sells best.
When I see a freshly painted house - particularly one that is not VERY
well done,it makes me ask "what's it hiding"? - and generally, when I
take a good look, there IS a pig under the lipstick.
In a slow market, it MIGHT make it sell quicker to have fresh paint
because it may appeal to those who are really stretching themselves
and can't see spending an extra hundred dollars to freshen it up with
their own colors before moving in., so they'll buy one that's
On 4/1/2017 3:42 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Placing furniture strategically compared to a full work shop is an
apples to oranges comparison.
You're also comparing an empty home to an empty room. Major difference
again. There are also several reasons why a house could be empty such as
from spur of the moment transfers for employees or military for example.
Doesn't mean something is wrong with the home.
Realtors will advise to paint with neutral colors if needed or a simple
off white. Special colors are what pushes people away.
In a hot market like we have, where houses generally sell for above
listing price in 3 or 4 days, most houses are listed and sold while
still occupied. If a house is on the market for more than a week or
so, there is something wrong with it, or a deal fell through. If the
deal fell through, was it due to an inspection issue?? Or because the
buyer's financing fell through?
In a sluggish market, the rules definitely change. In a hot market you
don't spend any more than you need to, because it will NOT have a
great effect on the final price, or how fast it will sell.
Around here right now you could sell a chicken coupe, and anything
better than that has multiple offers - if you are not going in at
least 30K over asking you won't get it. I know people who have "lost"
5 or 6 houses at 30K over asking. We are too close to Toronto, where
the average price of a single detatched house topped 1.3 million last
You can drive from the far north end of Waterloo to western Toronto in
less time than you can drive from eastern toronto - even on a bad day
(just over an hour) or even downtown (1 1/2 hours on a good day- up to
3 hours in rush hour, with no major accidents.
6 and 8 lanes in both directions on the 401.
On 4/1/17 3:17 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I've watched the home-selling shows a few times, and simply
couldn't believe the prices that houses were selling for in
How do ordinary working people PAY such prices?
How can they afford that much?
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