We got 6 1/2 inches of rain last evening and night. About midnight the
weather radio came on and said there "was the potential of flash
flooding in Cochran and Bleckley County, If you experience flooding
move to higher ground."
I can't believe someone gets paid to broadcast gems like that. They
must be brilliant to get that job.
Look at it this way. There's bound to be a number of people who won't
move unless someone tells them to.
And considering the litigious reputation the US has, what is the
possibility that someone would sue a radio station for not advising
the obvious? You just never know.
One thing that is missing in today's culture is "Common Sense".
Today most people live in a virtual reality of computer games, videos,
and TV programs. You do not learn self preservation in a video game.
There are those that do not realize the chicken wing they love to eat
comes from a living breathing animal.
Hey, no one else had the McDonald's coffee lawsuit case. Other people
in the developed global world have done some damned stupid things and
sued for them, but none of them have awarded someone three million
dollars for driving and spilling a cup of coffee between their legs.
Hell, I'm willing to bet that if the coffee was too cold, she'd have
sued for that and won even more money. :) :) :)
Not to be uncharitable, but you apparently fell for the spin the media put
for the stupid on that issue, and I know damned good and well you're not in
that category. ;)
I thought so at first also ... until I saw the photos of the burns on her
thighs from that coffee. IIRC, she wasn't driving, was a passenger in the
car, and they were stopped in the parking lot.
Photo of the burn here. Careful if you're squeamish.
Maybe so, but that might not be considered out of place. At home, you
put the kettle on, when the water is boiling and it steams it
whistles. You pour it in a cup, add your coffee and take a tentative
sip to test the hotness.
Coffee is supposed to be hot, not luke warm, hot. I'd expect that and
so would most other people I know. It's damned stupid to be putting it
between your legs ~ for whatever reason.
Yeah, this has all been hashed out before. There's not much that can
be added to it now.
I am not going to get involved in any kind of discussion with the resident
troll. But I wanted to comment.
Years ago, I was involved in the specialty coffee biz for a while. There
was a big push at that time to "standardize" coffee brewing temperatures.
Considerable money and time was spent to determine the "optimal brewing
temperature". And it was short of boiling.
In fact a number of procedures and monitoring equipment was devised to
achieve this mathematical ideal. The consensus of the McDonalds incident
was that it had to be crap coffee if it was brewed at those kinds of
temperature. McDonalds has greatly improved their coffee since those days,
because they found out that it brought people in the doors. All they had to
do was to sell it cheaper than Starbucks. Which is not hard to do.
Your new coffee machine brews at between 187 and 192 degrees, depending
on which setting you chose.
IMHO this conversation is starting to sound like the law suite brought
against Ryobi by the guy that cut his finger off because he did not use
the equipment properly.
Is placing a closed container, containing a known hot product, between
your legs to secure it while opening it not an accident waiting to happen?
It is mentioned that in a 10 year period that 700 people have been
burned by spilling coffee in genital area, perineum, inner thighs, and
buttocks. I don't recall seeing any mention of body parts being burned
when the coffee was applied to the intended body parts. ;~)
One buys "hot" coffee vs. iced coffee because it is hot beverage. If
you buy a hot product you should take care not to pour it all over your
self. Pizza is classically served HOT. You pull out a piece and place
it right into your mouth and scald the inside of your mouth, is the
establishment at fault?
IMHO regardless of temperature, different parts of your body are going
to burn more easily, at lower temperatures that others. I can easily
put something much hotter in my mouth than I can stand to hold on to.
Ones mouth and lips are accustomed to having hot things placed into it/them.
Do you think that if the coffee that is hot, but you can sip it, gets
thrown on your hand that you will not burn?
One also has to wonder that if the fabric melted what kept the plastic
cup from melting.. ;~)
Now having said that if the cup of coffee was stilling boiling when the
lady was attempting to open the cup between her legs I could see that
being a problem with the temperature being served but according to the
article 130 degrees is hot enough to cause a burn. I'm thinking that
one would not accept a cup of coffee that is served at that low temperature.
Don't know how accurate that is because strangely enough, and according
to this supposedly highly accurate digital medical thermometer used in
chemotherapy applications, the coffee had a range of 138.4 to 128.8F
temperature as it hits the cup:
The coffee grounds, immediately after brewing, read 142F.
Focused on the stream of water, on the "Hot Water" setting, held a
Cool thermometer ... I have requisitioned it from the "cold cap" box of
goodies we give out to chemo patients to keep them from losing their
hair. There is a very narrow range they must achieve to keep their scalp
from frost bite, so these things are extremely accurate.
Also been known to use it to test AC vents for the proper temperature.
Or the civil lawsuits against the car manufacturers regarding seat belts
and rear end collisions; or tire manufacturers, or ... ad infinitum.
I think a more accurate reading might be gotten with the thermometer
sitting inside a fresh brewed Styrofoam cup. You are getting a surface
temp exposed to the ambient temp. I used to develop my own slide film.
It evolved a large glass thermometer as the water temp in the sink had
to be darn close to what was called for. I had to warm the sink for
quite a while to get a consistent temp reading and IIRC the thermometer
instructions wanted a 3~4 minute submerfed exposure to give an accurate
reading. I think you are going to need a probe to submerge in the
coffee to get a true overall temperature reading.
Hotter still. But again, surface temperature.
I used a temp probe.
Tap water, and farking hot.
I have a voltage meter with a temp probe. should I bring it tonight? LOL
On the other hand: ;)
Using your argument, the vessel itself, being cooler than the hot water,
will have cooled the water slightly at lower levels in my measurements.
The hot water stream as it enters the cup will indeed be somewhat
effected by your "ambient" air temperature on the way down to the
surface, but, without an additional source of heat, and until the vessel
reaches an equilibrium temperature with the liquid as your sink did, the
temperature of the water stream at the entry point will still be at its
highest temperature ... and that point of entry is not within the
scientific definition of "surface temperature" of a liquid.
IIRC my physics classes, "surface temperatures" are not necessarily
lower than at lower depths, quite common in boiling water with the
nucleate film effect that vapor causes.
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